Butler added to training camp

[hooperflash]

Jimmy Butler

[HarlemHeat37]

not sure why people are citing advanced metrics and such for Rasual Butler, tbh..

He's a veteran presence that will eat up minutes during the regular season as a 12th-15th man..he's not going to play in the playoffs, nor should he..he shot around 45% from 3 during the first half of last season, and finished at 38 or 39% IIRC, he did his job, as Kawhistorm said..

IMO, this is insurance more than anything, his role/spot will probably be determined by the performances of the unproven young guys during camp and preseason..

[UNT Eagles 2016]

I honestly like Rasual Butler better than Caron Butler. Rasual is excusively a spot up shooter and a pretty solid defender. Caron is a lower percentage shooter, an inefficient scorer, a ball stopper and a bad at ude guy. Rasual will be an adequate Belinelli replacement. He should definitely be our 4th wing, unless Simmons really impresses. I don't want ninehead turtle to play at all.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

not sure why people are citing advanced metrics and such for Rasual Butler, tbh..

He's a veteran presence that will eat up minutes during the regular season as a 12th-15th man..he's not going to play in the playoffs, nor should he..he shot around 45% from 3 during the first half of last season, and finished at 38 or 39% IIRC, he did his job, as Kawhistorm said..

IMO, this is insurance more than anything, his role/spot will probably be determined by the performances of the unproven young guys during camp and preseason..

4th wing in the regular season, won't play in the playoffs except possibly in garbage time... still better than any other trash we can trot out at 4th wing, I'm not sold on Simmons just from summer league

[Kawhitstorm]

However, as I said earlier, if Anderson and Simmons don't look like dog in training camp then Butler will not make this team.

All this back and forth banter is immaterial though. If patfo has to count on key contributions coming from either of these players then the anic has already sprung a leak. Minute eaters at best should be the ceiling for either player

Even as a minute eater Bonner played decent amount of minutes to piss people off for his sole existence on the roster. Butler is a guy who has a game that can hold up against bench wing players on the other hand Jimmer plays a position that's overloaded w/ talent & has flaws/deficiencies in his game that would have fans sighing when he checks into the game. Besides, I don't see why Butler won't beat out Jimmer/Reggie/DeShaun for the finals spot if he plays up to his capabilities especially considering there really isn't a better Marco replacement in the FA market that can be had for the vet min.

[Joseph Kony]

Spurs have enough guards already. Butler is a much more obvious choice because for one the swingmen are interchangeable for the most part and he is also a solid 3 point shooter, a veteran presence on the team, and someone who can eat up some minutes in blowouts during the regular season or in rest games or if Simmons/Anderson are sucking. He will do his job without complaining and not take much money to do it.

[wildbill2u]

Butler has been with seven teams since 2010 as a reserve, 2 years with less than 10 min. per game, but I was surprised to see that he got/could play 20 minutes last year with Washington. Definitely a journeyman/veteran who's always been on the bubble for most of his career. Shoots a decent percentage from the arc.

I see him in compe ion with Jimmer with age and defense being the two deciding factors between the two and Thomas as a wild card. Depends on how much Thomas learned in Europe that he can show in camp.

[rastaspur]

Even as a minute eater Bonner played decent amount of minutes to piss people off for his sole existence on the roster. Butler is a guy who has a game that can hold up against bench wing players on the other hand Jimmer plays a position that's overloaded w/ talent & has flaws/deficiencies in his game that would have fans sighing when he checks into the game. Besides, I don't see why Butler won't beat out Jimmer/Reggie/DeShaun for the finals spot if he plays up to his capabilities especially considering there really isn't a better Marco replacement in the FA market that can be had for the vet min.

I'd prefer to have Butler over jimmer. But if Anderson and Simmons are ready to contribute then it makes sense to carry a scoring pg/sg for insurance, especially considering parkers potential decline or if other pgs get injured.

[Ice009]

I'd prefer to have Butler over jimmer. But if Anderson and Simmons are ready to contribute then it makes sense to carry a scoring pg/sg for insurance, especially considering parkers potential decline or if other pgs get injured.

Not if Jimmer's defense is worse than Parker's horrendous defense from last season. I won't allow that on the team. I don't give a how good his offense is, he can't be a really bad defender and stay on this team. He's going to have to show he can play some defense if he's to stay on the team.

[rastaspur]

Not if Jimmer's defense is worse than Parker's horrendous defense from last season. I won't allow that on the team. I don't give a how good his offense is, he can't be a really bad defender and stay on this team. He's going to have to show he can play some defense if he's to stay on the team.

He definitely can't be a complete defensive liability. I'm thinking he makes the team but is cut by early January before his remaining salary becomes guaranteed.

I think Simmons will have a role this year. I like this kid. He's going to eat up some sf minutes. And that's how jimmer gets that 15th spot. Patfo seem to see it that way because the money is following and telling of their forecast of how things will shake out

[wildbill2u]

I'd prefer to have Butler over jimmer. But if Anderson and Simmons are ready to contribute then it makes sense to carry a scoring pg/sg for insurance, especially considering parkers potential decline or if other pgs get injured.

I think Butler has always played SG/SF and probably has little or no experience at PG. He's working for one of the backup slots at SG/SF

[rastaspur]

Jimmer as pg/sg insurance. Not rasual

[dbestpro]

Move Bonner to front office, and keep both Butler, and Jimmer. if someone goes down or blows, then activate Bonner.

[RayTdropout]

this bUm sucks get his ass out of here

[Nathan89]

Jimmer is more useful as insurance to a Patty,Simmons, or Gino injury. Rasual is much insurance for an injury to anyone.

[ceperez]

Spurs that can dribble the ball:

Parker
Mills
McCallum
Ginobili
Simmons
Anderson
Diaw
Leonard
Fredette

Spurs that can't dribble but can assist:

Green
Marjanovic
Duncan
West
Aldridge

Spurs that can't do either:

Bonner
Butler

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Spurs that can dribble the ball:

Parker
Mills
McCallum
Ginobili
Simmons
Anderson
Diaw
Leonard
Fredette

Spurs that can't dribble but can assist:

Green
Marjanovic
Duncan
West
Aldridge

Spurs that can't do either:

Bonner
Butler

Spurs that can dribble the ball faster than my 2 year old nephew:::


All except one.

[SAGirl]

Spurs that can dribble the ball:

Parker
Mills
McCallum
Ginobili
Simmons
Anderson
Diaw
Leonard
Fredette

Spurs that can't dribble but can assist:

Green
Marjanovic
Duncan
West
Aldridge

Spurs that can't do either:

Bonner
Butler

Good reasoning. I haven't been sold on Bonner returning because there are many big men in the team nowadays who can shoot and are better. His signing seemed a bit redundant. He can only legitimately be subbed in as a 4 (a 5 with Timmy, but we all know Timmy is the real 5 ok? lol), and the team has many options at the 4 now. Used to be we had bench big men who could not shoot and had to play close to the basket, but that is not the case now. I think Bonner is garbage time minutes eater, but for that role, you can even roll out Anderson as a 4. The fact other bench bodies out there are versatile and can play several spots helps them over Bonner's case. I can't envision Pop cutting Bonner for Butler though, so we'll see.

Even when you have more guards, you have to account for the fact that you will need every bit of what guard depth you have with Tony and Manu having scheduled rest and possible injuries, and then you have to account for random injuries to other guys as well, bc someone else is bound to be out at some point for some games as well. What I am saying is guard depth is not as solid as it would seem, whereas bench depth at the 4 spot is the best in the team.

[tholdren]

Idiot, he barely played in the playoffs b/c Wittman all of a sudden decided he was going to ride Otto Potter & play Pierce at the 4. Rasual did his job which was to eat up minutes to keep Pierce fresh for the postseason. His job w/ the Spurs will be to eat up minutes at the wing to keep Danny/Kawhi/Manu fresh & mentor Simmons/Kyle without ing/whining unlike Stephen Jackson/Finley. Come playoff time he will just be a situational player ala Bonner.

Right, so take an end-of-career player and put him in the regular season, something that pop and company don't play for. Get rid of a younger, high character guy who you could groom to be every bit as good as joseph and actually use in future regular season and playoff games.

Wonder why your guy only got 7 minutes?

Turdstorm strikes again

[Kawhitstorm]

Right, so take an end-of-career player and put him in the regular season, something that pop and company don't play for. Get rid of a younger, high character guy who you could groom to be every bit as good as joseph and actually use in future regular season and playoff games.

Wonder why your guy only got 7 minutes?

Turdstorm strikes again

I wonder why Jimmer wasn't even on the Pelicans playoff roster & got demoted by Tony Douglas? Idiot, the addition of Butler is for the UPCOMING SEASON b/c last I checked the Big 3 are on their last legs & D-West is probably going to opt-out next season. For the UPCOMING season the team NEEDS a PROVEN wing-player that can spread the floor & eat up minutes in the regular season. The team knows what to expect from Butler & he won't rock the boat if he isn't getting minutes which probably would be an issue for Jimmer since he's trying to make it in the league. It's not like Jimmer is going anywhere next summer if the team ever needs an undersized shooting guard. Pop will have done his due diligence by inviting him to training camp.

[Kawhitstorm]

Good reasoning. I haven't been sold on Bonner returning because there are many big men in the team nowadays who can shoot and are better. His signing seemed a bit redundant. He can only legitimately be subbed in as a 4 (a 5 with Timmy, but we all know Timmy is the real 5 ok? lol), and the team has many options at the 4 now. Used to be we had bench big men who could not shoot and had to play close to the basket, but that is not the case now. I think Bonner is garbage time minutes eater, but for that role, you can even roll out Anderson as a 4. The fact other bench bodies out there are versatile and can play several spots helps them over Bonner's case. I can't envision Pop cutting Bonner for Butler though, so we'll see.

Even when you have more guards, you have to account for the fact that you will need every bit of what guard depth you have with Tony and Manu having scheduled rest and possible injuries, and then you have to account for random injuries to other guys as well, bc someone else is bound to be out at some point for some games as well. What I am saying is guard depth is not as solid as it would seem, whereas bench depth at the 4 spot is the best in the team.

If Jimmer has a good showing in camp then waving Bonner isn't far fetched since they both have partially guaranteed contracts thus money is irrelevant. I hope that happens b/c the Jimmer nut huggers are going to & whine when Butler misses a FT (Butler isn't much better than Kawhi in that department). I have no issues w/ Jimmer being on the squad as long as it's over Bonner.

[TheDoctor]

From a coaching staff point of view, if they are looking at Butler or Mormonner for that #15 spot, they gotta be extremely excited and anxious with their situation. It means you have a team with a pretty nice depth. I may say evaluating each combo of players to find that balance, cohesion and get used to each other is the hard part.

[tholdren]

yes he can

[Chinook]

yes he can

Yes. I have no idea what he's talking about. Is Spurtacular wants to see what blind Jimmer hate looks like, that's his man right there.

[tholdren]

George Hill starts at PG, dribbling skill seems to have no bearing on it