School Shooting at Community College in Oregon

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There's scientific consensus on guns -- and the NRA won't like it

One survey asked whether having a gun in the home increased the risk of suicide. An overwhelming share of the 150 people who responded, 84%, said yes.

This result was not at all surprising because the scientific evidence is overwhelming. It includes a dozen individual-level studies that investigate why some people commit suicide and others do not, and an almost equal number of area-wide studies that try to explain differences in suicide rates across cities, states and regions.

widespread confidence that a gun in the home increases the risk that a woman living in the home will be a victim of homicide (72% agree, 11% disagree) and

that a gun in the home makes it a more dangerous place to be (64%) rather than a safer place (5%).

There is consensus that guns are not used in self-defense far more often than they are used in crime (73% vs. 8%) and

that the change to more permissive gun carrying laws has not reduced crime rates (62% vs. 9%).

Finally, there is consensus that strong gun laws reduce homicide (71% vs. 12%).

Of course it's possible to find researchers who side with the NRA in believing that guns make our society safer, rather than more dangerous. As I've shown, however, they're in the minority.

Scientific consensus isn't always right, but it's our best guide to understanding the world. Can reporters please stop pretending that scientists, like politicians, are evenly divided on guns? We're not.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed...423-story.html

More Guns = More Gun Violence ( = More Gun Business Profits and $250B in gun violence medical costs )

[Harry Callahan]

How can someone suppress the media from reporting information given the compe ive nature of it. Networks will try and scoop other networks.

[Harry Callahan]

Instead of cutting and pasting pla udes from Rolling Stone and Vox (are they fair and balanced? Nope), how about some actual suggestions to minimize shootings.

My guess is BD would suggest registration of all firearms in the U.S. with a confiscation of all semi automatics across the board. Am I correct?

A serious upgrading of the NICS system might be a start, since the Oregon killer passed approximately 7 background checks in the last three years (according to one of the Oregon Papers) - yes the background checks that a lot of people think are the answer.

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"actual suggestions to minimize shootings."

Less Guns = Less Gun Violence

I don't support blanket confiscation, but I do support specific confiscation (and destruction) for violations of my much more stringent regulations.

treat killing tools the same as cars.

Every one GIN like a VIN. No GIN? gun confiscated and destroyed.

Every one registered in a national db accessible to all law enforcement.

On demand, owner or carrier must produce the registration card and insurance card.

Missing either one, the gun is confiscated for 30 days minimum. If GIN or insurance produced in 60 days, the gun is destroyed.

Every one gun pays an annual registration renewal.

Every one insured, with GOVT insurance (not private) with annual premiums, 10 guns? 10 insurance policies.

Lose a gun? $1000 fine. Lose another gun? $1000, 30 days in jail and state felony, and all guns confiscated for 1 year.

(nearly 250K guns "stolen" every year, any owner penalized?) Stolen guns recovered are destroyed.

Any gun modified is confiscated and destroyed.

etc, etc.

Expensive? fully funded by gun owners through insurance, registration fees, penalties, etc. If the program is in deficit, then hike all the insurance, fees, penalties, etc until in the black.

[Harry Callahan]

BD,

Interesting list - passing cons utional muster would be a mountain, but it's just suggestions after all.

The GIN would be a gun registry on top of the other registry list suggested - having that list would make full confiscation very attainable.

I would like prosecution of anyone who lies on a 4473 form. The Federal government treats this violation of a law in place as a joke. No one is prosecuted.

Upgrading the NICS system would be good, but doing that effectively and efficiently is a tall order. Comprehensive mental health records would need to be integrated into the system, but that seems to be a brick wall in some quarters (ACLU?). The right to privacy issues and all.



Thanks for the list.....

[m>s]

Except gun rights aren't only for the wealthy who can afford insurance and all this other bs, it's for anyone. You can't use the power to tax to start pushing political agendas. Why don't we tax you to post? $1.00 per ty post, posting without a license? 1,000 dollar fine, 2nd offense? 5 year sentence for excessive shilling and posting.

[Harry Callahan]

Except gun rights aren't only for the wealthy who can afford insurance and all this other bs, it's for anyone. You can't use the power to tax to start pushing physical agendas. Why don't we tax you to post? $1.00 per ty post, posting without a license? 1,000 dollar fine, 2nd offense? 5 year sentence for excessive shilling and posting.

Yup. Sounds pretty expensive. Where would the money go? The wrong place of course.

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Go trump go
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/03/politi...ers/index.html

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"This isn't a gun problem, this is a mental problem," Trump told CNN's Chris Cuomo on "New Day." "It's not a question of the laws, it's really the people."

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BD,

Interesting list - passing cons utional muster would be a mountain, but it's just suggestions after all.

The GIN would be a gun registry on top of the other registry list suggested - having that list would make full confiscation very attainable.

I would like prosecution of anyone who lies on a 4473 form. The Federal government treats this violation of a law in place as a joke. No one is prosecuted.

Upgrading the NICS system would be good, but doing that effectively and efficiently is a tall order. Comprehensive mental health records would need to be integrated into the system, but that seems to be a brick wall in some quarters (ACLU?). The right to privacy issues and all.



Thanks for the list.....

where the does the Cons ution block any of that?

and add 25% Federal sales tax at retail on guns and ammo

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Guns killed more Americans in 12 years than AIDS, war, and illegal drug overdoses combined

http://www.vox.com/2015/10/3/9446193...-war-terrorism

2nd Amendment, es!

cars did to with help of drunks

When are u going to want to take our cars away
They also polute the earth

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where the does the Cons ution block any of that?

and add 25% Federa sales tax at ratial on guns and ammo

Yeah tax it so the people can not go to range and practice and carry guns legal to protect themselves from idiots that start shooting where u are at

Raise more money for gov to waste it is ing stupid

Plan parent waste millions also but want 500 million from tax payers
And democrats are afraid to give that 500 million to other women health places

[ducks]

Instead of cutting and pasting pla udes from Rolling Stone and Vox (are they fair and balanced? Nope), how about some actual suggestions to minimize shootings.

My guess is BD would suggest registration of all firearms in the U.S. with a confiscation of all semi automatics across the board. Am I correct?

A serious upgrading of the NICS system might be a start, since the Oregon killer passed approximately 7 background checks in the last three years (according to one of the Oregon Papers) - yes the background checks that a lot of people think are the answer.

The military messed up should have flagged him when he was discharged from military

[DMX7]

Yeah tax it so the people can not go to range and practice and carry guns legal to protect themselves from idiots that start shooting where u are at

Raise more money for gov to waste it is ing stupid

Plan parent waste millions also but want 500 million from tax payers
And democrats are afraid to give that 500 million to other women health places

Show me your evidence that PP wastes millions... and for context $500M is about what it costs to buy 2x jet fighters (F-22s). TWO!

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For one they have pay their president over half a million
That is a waste
They give millions to politically stuff
Waste millions on entertainment

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12. Planned Parenthood has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars and thousands of hours of employee time in order to protect its government handout. Planned Parenthood has flooded the airwaves with TV commercials [xxiii] and radio ads[xxiv] in order to protect its funding. Its employees – whose paychecks are subsidized by tax dollars -- have participated in bus tours and rallies across the country.[xxv]

http://www.sba-list.org/suzy-b-blog/...parenthood-now

[DMX7]

12. Planned Parenthood has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars and thousands of hours of employee time in order to protect its government handout. Planned Parenthood has flooded the airwaves with TV commercials [xxiii] and radio ads[xxiv] in order to protect its funding. Its employees – whose paychecks are subsidized by tax dollars -- have participated in bus tours and rallies across the country.[xxv]

http://www.sba-list.org/suzy-b-blog/...parenthood-now

Protecting their organization from lunatics spreading lies and trying to defund them? How scandalous...

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http://m.cnsnews.com/news/article/ba...grants-fy-2013

55 million about 1/8

Not counting entertainment and the president salary
Cut her salary to 100k and see if she runs or stays
It is for women's Heath right not the money

[DMX7]

http://m.cnsnews.com/news/article/ba...grants-fy-2013

55 million about 1/8

Not counting entertainment and the president salary
Cut her salary to 100k and see if she runs or stays
It is for women's Heath right not the money

Ms. Richards’s pay is similar to that of a chief executive of a hospital with revenue a little more than a tenth of Planned Parenthood’s — about $151 million, according to Dr. Jha’s analysis of data from Guidestar, a company that analyzes nonprofits’ annual tax filings ... In Guidestar’s report on nonprofit pay, among the 3,335 organizations in its highest budget category — nonprofits bringing in more than $50 million — average compensation is $689,973, about 17 percent more than Ms. Richards earns in total compensation.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/01/up...=politics&_r=0

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The hospital is not saying it is just for women and getting 500 million from tax payers

[DMX7]

The hospital is not saying it is just for women and getting 500 million from tax payers

That's not really the point, is it? If her salary were cut to $100K and the rest of the organization were getting $499.9M, you would still want to defund it.

Regardless, she runs a very large organization and has tremendous responsibilities. A base salary in the $500K range is not unreasonable.

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500k is fine just do not ask for taxpayers money then
Run it as a business

[tbdog]

cars did to with help of drunks

When are u going to want to take our cars away
They also polute the earth

Cars are used for transportation. Guns are used to maim and kill. Seriously? That is your argument?

[DMX7]

500k is fine just do not ask for taxpayers money then
Run it as a business

Why are you ok with Lockheed Martin CEO getting $15M in total comp? Lockheed Martin got over $30 Billion of tax payers money last year.