School Shooting at Community College in Oregon

[ChumpDumper]

I've presented the numbers showing a decline in gun homicides that was trending down before the 1996 ban in Australia. The same decline was trending down in New Zealand as well and they enacted no ban.

Well, there were seven mass shootings in the ten years before the law change, and by your definition two mass shootings in the 19 years since.

Does that seem like a steady decline to you?

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/w...er-a-massacre/

"firearm homicide rate fell by 59 percent, and the firearm suicide rate fell by 65 percent in the decade after the law was introduced."

From your link:

"The paper also estimated that buying back 3,500 guns per 100,000 people resulted in a 35 to 50 percent decline in the homicide rate, but because of the low number of homicides in Australia normally, this finding wasn't statistically significant"

''Other studies are more hesitant to draw conclusions about homicides, but generally agree that the law did a lot to reduce suicides."

"It seems reasonably clear, then, that the gun buyback led to a large decline in suicides, and weaker but real evidence that it reduced homicides as well"

Evidence it reduced homicides is weak and it was already trending down.

[ChumpDumper]

From your link:

"The paper also estimated that buying back 3,500 guns per 100,000 people resulted in a 35 to 50 percent decline in the homicide rate, but because of the low number of homicides in Australia normally, this finding wasn't statistically significant"

''Other studies are more hesitant to draw conclusions about homicides, but generally agree that the law did a lot to reduce suicides."

"It seems reasonably clear, then, that the gun buyback led to a large decline in suicides, and weaker but real evidence that it reduced homicides as well"

Evidence it reduced homicides is weak and it was already trending down.

Well, there were seven mass shootings in the ten years before the law change, and by your definition two mass shootings in the 19 years since.

Does that seem like a steady decline to you?

[TheSanityAnnex]

.. but not with the dramatic drops after the legislation and buyback

"but because of the low number of homicides in Australia normally, this finding wasn't statistically significant."

[Blizzardwizard]

I've presented the numbers showing a decline in gun homicides that was trending down before the 1996 ban in Australia. The same decline was trending down in New Zealand as well and they enacted no ban.

But gun homicide rates have dropped at a more significant rate after 1996. From 1979 to 1996, a period of 17 years, 9 of those years had an increase in gun deaths on the year before. From 1996 to 2013, a period of 17 years also, only 5 of those years had an increase in gun deaths on the year before.

[Blizzardwizard]

From your link:

"The paper also estimated that buying back 3,500 guns per 100,000 people resulted in a 35 to 50 percent decline in the homicide rate, but because of the low number of homicides in Australia normally, this finding wasn't statistically significant"

''Other studies are more hesitant to draw conclusions about homicides, but generally agree that the law did a lot to reduce suicides."

"It seems reasonably clear, then, that the gun buyback led to a large decline in suicides, and weaker but real evidence that it reduced homicides as well"

Evidence it reduced homicides is weak and it was already trending down.

At a more significant rate than in previous years before.

[Blizzardwizard]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/w...er-a-massacre/


"firearm homicide rate fell by 59 percent, and the firearm suicide rate fell by 65 percent, in the decade after the law was introduced, without a parallel increase in non-firearm homicides and suicides."

[TheSanityAnnex]

At a more significant rate than in previous years before.

"but because of the low number of homicides in Australia normally, this finding wasn't statistically significant."

[ChumpDumper]

"but because of the low number of homicides in Australia normally, this finding wasn't statistically significant."

Well, there were seven mass shootings in the ten years before the law change, and by your definition two mass shootings in the 19 years since.

Does that seem like a steady decline to you?

[Blizzardwizard]

"but because of the low number of homicides in Australia normally, this finding wasn't statistically significant."

http://sydney.edu.au/news/84.html?newsstoryid=1502

"While the rates per 100,000 of total firearm deaths, firearm suicides and firearm homicides were already reducing by an average of 3 per cent each year until 1996, these average rates of decline doubled to 6 per centeach year (total gun death), and more than doubled to 7.4 per cent(gun suicide) and 7.5 per centeach year (gun homicide) following the introduction of new gun laws."

[Blizzardwizard]

Oh, and

"firearm homicide rate fell by 59 percent, and the firearm suicide rate fell by 65 percent, in the decade after the law was introduced, without a parallel increase in non-firearm homicides and suicides."

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://sydney.edu.au/news/84.html?newsstoryid=1502

"While the rates per 100,000 of total firearm deaths, firearm suicides and firearm homicides were already reducing by an average of 3 per cent each year until 1996, these average rates of decline doubled to 6 per centeach year (total gun death), and more than doubled to 7.4 per cent(gun suicide) and 7.5 per centeach year (gun homicide) following the introduction of new gun laws."

Were you aware Australia is back to the same amount of guns owned before the 1996 buy back that destroyed 1 million guns? Following your logic gun homicides should be on the rise correct?

http://www.smh.com.au/national/austr...113-2cnnq.html

[Medvedenko]

What's the difference if all countries had nuclear capabilities? Not just the actual 9 nations that currently have them with USA and Russia accounting for 90% of them. It's a simple metaphor, if more guns in the USA and less stringent rules around the possession of them would increase safety, then why don't all countries starting building bombs for safety.....

I know it's an extreme, so think of it this way.....there's a reason for disarmament and nuclear programs going away, not increasing. That's the USA problem....more guns and more gun violence equates more profit. That's the bottom line, not safety.

[Blizzardwizard]

Were you aware Australia is back to the same amount of guns owned before the 1996 buy back that destroyed 1 million guns? Following your logic gun homicides should be on the rise correct?

http://www.smh.com.au/national/austr...113-2cnnq.html

You're deviating like crazy.

[boutons_deux]

Bogus, War-for-Money on Christians

Tennessee GOPer: 'Christians Who Are Serious' Should Be Armed

Tennessee Lt. Gov. Ron Ramsey (R) wrote Friday on Facebook that Christians who were serious about their faith should consider getting gun permits following the massacre at an Oregon community college.

Chris Harper Mercer shot and killed nine people and injured nine others before killing himself Thursday at Umpqua Community College. Victims of the shooting and their family members have told news outlets that the shooter asked his victims whether they were Christians before he shot them.

On Facebook, Ramsey reacted to the shooting by pointing to it as another example in which "Christians and defenders of the West" have been targeted.

He wrote that it was "time to prepare."

"I would encourage my fellow Christians who are serious about their faith to think about getting a handgun carry permit," he wrote.

"I have always believed that it is better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewir...+%28TPMNews%29

2nd Amendment!

Paranoia, the n!gg@s and ragheads gonna getcha!

[TheSanityAnnex]

You're deviating like crazy.

Were you aware the amount of privately owned guns in Australia is back to the pre 1996 buy back yes or no?

[boutons_deux]

Bobby Jindal blames Oregon shooter’s anti-gun dad: ‘He owes us all an apology’

He said mass shootings had little to do with the easy availability of guns.

“These acts of evil are a direct result of cultural rot, and it is cultural rot that we have brought upon ourselves, and then we act like we are confounded and perplexed by what is happening here,” Jindal said.

Jindal rattled off a litany of root causes, including the glorification of “sick and senseless acts of violence in virtually every element of our pop culture” — something he said had been going on for at least a generation.

He blamed violence in movies, TV shows, music and video games.

“Rape, torture, murder, mass murder, all are cinematic achievements,” Jindal said.

“Our music does the same thing, we promote evil, we promote the degradation of women, we flaunt the laws of God and common decency and we promote it all and we flood our young people with it.”
He said legal abortion and treatment of the elderly showed that “we have no regard for the sanc y of human life in any regard.”

But mostly, he blamed single mothers and absentee fathers.

“Let’s get really politically incorrect here and talk specifically about this horror in Oregon,” Jindal said. “This killer’s father is now lecturing us on the need for gun control and he says he has no idea how or where his son got the guns.”

Jindal continued his personal attack on the killer’s father.

“Of course he doesn’t know,” Jindal said. “You know why he doesn’t know? Because he is not, and has never been in his son’s life. He’s a complete failure as a father, he should be embarrassed to even show his face in public. He’s the problem here.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/bobb...e+Raw+Story%29

Thanks, Louisiana. Your macaca is one ed up asshole.

[boutons_deux]

[TheSanityAnnex]

Were you aware the amount of privately owned guns in Australia is back to the pre 1996 buy back yes or no?

scattered like water bugs

[boutons_deux]

more guns = more gun violence

[Th'Pusher]

Were you aware the amount of privately owned guns in Australia is back to the pre 1996 buy back yes or no?

Private Gun ownership per capita has increased by how much?

[boutons_deux]

Lou Dobbs: 'almost a straight line' between mass shootings, school prayer

Fox News Business Genius Lou Dobbs knows why we're having all these mass shootings in our schools. No, it's not the guns. It's never the guns.

Public schools, public school boards should demand a return to the Judeo-Christian ethic, to the practice of religion in our schools, prayer in schools, in my opinion.

And, there is almost a straight line between what happened in 1963 and the denial of the right to pray in our public schools, and violence in our schools and our society, that has risen exponentially over that time.

So God is murdering our children because they don't pray enough and is causing hurricanes because gay people have too many rights these days,

but when it comes to interest rates and dividends and oil spills and layoffs and American hedge fund managers hedge fund managing the world economy four feet into a six foot grave, you'll not hear Lou Dobbs offer up a peep about divine intervention in those cases.

Because if he used those theories in his "business" analysis, he'd be off the air before the first commercial break.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/1...8Daily+Kos%29#

[Splits]

scattered like water bugs

''Australia's public health effort to reduce the risk of gun violence led the world,'' he said. ''After melting down a million guns, the risk of an Australian dying by gunshot fell by more than half. Plus, we've seen no mass shootings in 16 years,'' Professor Alpers said.

He said that because of law changes, the new guns were not military-style semi-automatics, which were banned and surrendered after Port Arthur, and that handguns were now harder to import into Australia.

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While there was an initial e when owners of now-banned multishot rifles and shotguns replaced their weapons with single-fire guns in the four years after Port Arthur

Did you even read your own link or just the headline? Perhaps the fact that semi-autos, multi-shot rifles and shotguns, and most handguns are banned has something to do with the DRASTIC reduction of gun-related deaths? Seriously, trying to debate you is like trying to reason with a 4 year old. That's why you're routinely ignored.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Did you even read your own link or just the headline? Perhaps the fact that semi-autos, multi-shot rifles and shotguns, and most handguns are banned has something to do with the DRASTIC reduction of gun-related deaths? Seriously, trying to debate you is like trying to reason with a 4 year old. That's why you're routinely ignored.

Except there was no drastic reduction of gun homicides due to the ban, the trend continued down just as it was before the 1996 ban, just as New Zealand's trend continued down without a ban.

[TheSanityAnnex]

more guns = more gun violence

Try again