Well big year for Mitch and the FO ...to prove they have a clue.
i hear about that all the time, but none still explained to me what is that "upside" trait that makes people believe he could be anyone special. With Okafor, we all know that, with KAT too, with Porzingis it's also clear, with Russell, all he screams is mediocrity. Perhaps you can enlighten me.
That's because outside of playstation you've never played the game. As a former PG I see things in him that most vet PG's dont have. He's a gifted passe and a good shooter. His shooting touch will get better as the season provresses just like in summer league. If you look at his first summer league game compared to his last summer league game its like night and day. He's two years away from being a dominant PG.
a non-athletic, slow, jump-shooting point guard who can't get to the rim is going to be dominant? In who's mold? He's not even a good shooter, he shot 45% in college and against top-50 teams he was abysmal.
stats in college have almost 0 weight. His play in summerleague is much more relevant than anything he's done in college. As far as I have seen, he has a bad shooting form, bad shot selection, doesn't set plays properly as shown by his ridiculous turnover numbers in summer league and he is below average athletically.
I'm not saying he can't develop, but you can give chances to anyone and hope they develop, doesn't mean they are actually guys with potential. There is really not one thing that stands out in him, and that's impressive for a #2 pick in a stacked draft.
This is just damning.
3/19 in his last college game, no wonder Kirby loves this kid
I could but you only hear what you wanna hear and see what you wanna see. But if you really want an answer click here. I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt let's see if you can keep it.
Highlights:
Scout 1: He is the best backcourt player in the draft. He is clearly the best point guard. High basketball IQ. Tremendous size. Great confidence about himself. He is more of a scorer than a shooter. I see the [James] Harden comparison. I think that’s fair, just with the way he plays.
He’s athletic enough. I mean, he can dunk. Sure, he needs to get stronger, has a slight frame. He does what he needs to do.
There is enough there to run an NBA team — best vision in the draft. No doubt about it. His shooting needs to get better. (agree with this guy both good and bad)
Scout 2: He’s just one of those guys where the game comes very easy to him. Sees things. One of the best passers we have seen in college basketball in a long, long time. There are plays where he sees two passes ahead. He makes hockey passes.
Incredible confidence, incredible poise. Great size. Not a great athlete, not very strong. I think what has happened to him is, because the game is so easy for him and he’s had such great success, his deficiencies haven’t manifested yet. I think that they will to a degree.
Scout 3: I liked him right away when I saw him in the McDonald’s game. Us scouts were sitting together saying, “Man … ” It really excites you to see a young guy with creativity and vision. He thinks like a point guard, but then he’s talented, quick enough to get his shot.
I was really eager to see him earlier this year at Louisville, going into that lion’s den. A year ago, he’s in high school, now he’s in the Yum Yum Center with 20,000 people. He gathered himself, he figured it out, and he put his team in a position to win that game. It took him awhile to realize the level of intensity, the quickness, and the things he had to adjust to. I thought, That’s really impressive.
that was from 3 old school scouts as told to RR at Grantland.
This is from the analytic guys: click here
Highlights
Among players eligible for the NBA draft, D’Angelo Russell sits atop Kevin Pelton’s WARP projections, had the highest offensive rating of any freshman last season (according to KenPom.com) and is the top projected guard in ESPN’s Statistical Plus/Minus (SPM) projections. Although SPM sees Russell as a high-risk, high-reward prospect, projecting that he has the best chance of any player in the 2015 draft class to develop into a superstar. (also of being a bust)
So let me see Scouts loved him.
Nerds loved him.
Our staff loved him.
So I should panic over SL like Kool and you hating ass Spur fans or should I give this a chance to play out? The scouts that loved him even said it would take time. Relax. I dont panic here because I dont have delusions that we will be good this year. Give these guys a chance to develop. Randle worries me more ...bbut even he is young and inexperienced. I dont panic easy.
so..... he can pass? is that it?
Lowlights:
Scout 1:
He’s athletic enough. I mean, he can dunk. Sure, he needs to get stronger, has a slight frame. He does what he needs to do.
His shooting needs to get better. He takes some tough shots. But I think it’s going to improve. The stroke isn’t bad.
Scout 2:
Not a great athlete, not very strong. I think what has happened to him is, because the game is so easy for him and he’s had such great success, his deficiencies haven’t manifested yet. I think that they will to a degree. And I’ll be very curious to see how he addresses it. Will he get in the weight room? Will he become wiry strong?
My issues with him are defensively. He guards with his instincts, that’s it.
But he can’t ing guard anything. He’s disinterested. I saw [Ohio State] play Marquette earlier in the year. They were playing zone defense. Thad Matta doesn’t play zone. They were doing it to help Russell.
He gets by with his instincts, and I don’t know if you can do that in our league. I think that’ll be an issue for him. But he’s prideful enough and works at it [enough] to just be ing capable. I mean, get in the ing way.
Scout 3:
I think he can be in that upper tier of point guards.
You look at a kid like [Brandon] Jennings — talented, but there is some stuff there.
Don't you worry about our 19 year old rookie that shot poorly in a college game. What you should be worried about is your franchise vet who shot an average of 33% on 22 shot per game this past playoffs.
Wut? A Pop-run team would never have a PG attempting 22 shots a game. And we've got Patty Thrills as a backup. Who you got, a 30 year old rookie?
that is fine I didn't ignore any of that. Raven asked me why? So I gave both a scout's and analytics argument on why some think he can play. The stats love him say he was the prospect with highest upside and highest bust potential. Mitch gambled on this. Oakafor was the safer pick. To me his reputation going forward is staked to this kid. I am willing to be patient.
IF Raven all you got was he can pass from both articles I posted then you have lost the benefit I gave you earlier. At least Splitts read it. he focused on the negatives ... but I dont mind that ...it needs to be looked at from both sides.
BTW, even duncan had some poor games in college. I can dig those up but who cares? even if Russ wasnt shut down by Jefferson (who had a much better team) it only matters what he does going forward.
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i did read it, all I got from that is that he is not a shooter but a scorer (that is one of the common ways a future bust gets called), he's weak and unathletic, but has great vision which is the fluffest fluff you can get. Again, no mention of anything that stands out in him. The fact that they gave him a very high chance to be a superstar, means nothing.
i also gave you that analytics but like I said you already have come to a conclusion. They didnt just talk about his passing ...but I knew it would be a waste of time for you. I posted it for Kool's benefit more than yours.
In order to be a justified #2 pick at the PG position, offensively he's going to have to develop a money mid-range and 3pt shot and be devastating on the PnR. He doesn't have the strength or speed to take it to the rack. He would benefit in a movement-based offense, not sure if Byron is capable of adjusting his playbook to fit DB. Defensively, and I'm basing this on what I saw only in a couple of his OSU games and his 4 summer league games, he has a mountain to climb. He's going to need a structured system where he always knows his assignment.
they are using analytics from college to project success in tha nba. the high difference between bust and superstar potential, means that the data is almost useless.
What? no the data means that because of the metrics used players with similar data sets have the highest % of chances to succeed but there are outliers that show he also could bust. And I agree with both sentiments. Saying a 19 year old built like russell needs to get stronger? Wow what a surprise! Kyle Anderson needed to get stronger he is not fast but look how much better he looked a year later. I saw Anderson with my Bruins Kyle has good vision and instincts Druss has better vision.
They both could end up busts. but even for KA it's to early to tell.
where Russ got drafted means little to me at this point. if we took him over KAT I would be upset ...over the rest? Toss-up. Lakers swung big. Only Porzings would have been a bigger swing.
By definition a #30 pick can't bust.
And Mudiay will have a better career than DB. If you wanted to swing big on a PG, he was the one to take (could have traded down and got another first rounder).
Vonleh will also be better than Randle.
In statistics, an outlier is an observation point that is distant from other observations. So saying that there is a high chance that he could be a bust, is the very contrary of what an outlier is. The Kyle Anderson comparison is very nice, he is the "6-9 point guard", Porzingis the giant with 7-6 wingspan and crazy speed that shoots triples .. KAT the next defensive anchor, Okafor the next great post up big..and even stanley johnson, the next lockdown perimeter defender with great athleticism. Who is DRussell? the next non nba ready middling pg..
I was talking about Lamarcus brick laying ass.Wut? A Pop-run team would never have a PG attempting 22 shots a game. And we've got Patty Thrills as a backup. Who you got, a 30 year old rookie?
Yeah, I'm really concerned about Pop running high-post ISO sets for LMA over and over in the playoffs. That's how he rolls.
LOL yes all those players will equal that in the NBA ... very reasonable. all those guys can bust just as easy as Drussell. Im done with you Raven you wont back down from your pre-conceived notions so I wont waste my breath. I gave you two well written arguments on why the Lakers made their pick.
At this point it's just time to let them develop and a few pre-season games heck even this year wont be enough to tell. Mudiay and Oakfor may put up empty stats and bigger numbers than KAT and Russell but I would take those two over the former. I like the skillset both show. KAt and Druss were my favorite players in this draft Oakafor was a close 3rd ... didnt know enough about Mudiay abut watched his china League games he was good but not that impressive. I think he will not be all that great unless he improves significantly but I dont know that for sure yet ...why? Because a few youtube games from a league I never heard of is not enough to tell me Mudiay is going to be great or a bust.
it seems you're not understanding what my question is.. The question is: assuming everything goes as it should in the learning-development process, who or what can Russell become? The next best shooter, the guy that can't be guarded on the pick and roll, the next best passer, a great defender... what? because with the other prospects, the upside is easy to see, because most of them have something great about them. Everything I have seen, and all the scouting reports that you presented, all they do, is shape the picture of the next mr average.
in the meantime, Okafor is abusing Gortat in style
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