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Bonner received too much blame here in his prime, I used to routinely defend him, tbh, but he's definitely horrible nowadays, I don't think it's arguable..
I assume that " you" was meant for me, so I'll try to temper my response with restraint. Bonner is not as bad as posters here indicate, his at ude, work ethic and humility are greatly appreciated by his peers, it's not all about wind mill dunks. If you would like to debate, in the future, please act like a spurs fan and a true texan, not Kool-aid man. We're better than that.
Bonner received too much blame here in his prime, I used to routinely defend him, tbh, but he's definitely horrible nowadays, I don't think it's arguable..
Definitely not as good as he once was, although I would argue that is difficult for even a prototype NBA great talent to play with any real consistency when his minutes are meted out so sporadically. Rhythm is key.
It ruined my entire summer. That, and my thyroid cancer scare (turned out to be an immune reaction to remnants of a bad cold which inflamed my hyperthyroidism). And that was the only summer in my life other than 2008 in which I caught a cold. I also had a two-week bout with food poisoning that summer due to eating a slightly rotten mango from Guatemala. And I had to get three cavities filled later that summer.
And the girl that I had talked to for several months since that spring that we had planned to be in a relationship together upon entering UNT stopped liking me and started hating me out of the blue because she all of a sudden got ultra racist/black supremacist after her white prom date at her high school dropped her off in a ditch and went out with his cousin instead. (her HS was in Ardmore, South Oklahoma Shady 580.) I haven't talked to her in 2 years, and I still don't have a GF.
2013, an all out ty year. Also
January 1 (yes, New Year's Day): went to La Cantera and bought some dress shoes and my first grown man suit and tie
January 15: got rejected from Stanford undergrad
February 4: found out I was valedictorian of my high school
March 1: first met Amanda, the aforementioned girl from south Oklahoma, at a campus tour at UNT on the road up IH-35 to my great great uncle's funeral in Omaha
March 7: got rejected from Tier One Scholar at UHouston undergrad
Also in March: found out I'd only get 3/4 cost of attendance paid for if I went to UT or A&M
April 1: Drove to Dallas and interviewed for Terry Scholarship at UNT
April 15: Rejected by Terry Scholarship foundation (and the Boston Massacre, but who cares)
May: my high school kept sodomizing me telling me I'd need to take most of the final exams because I missed 3 class days even though I was the ing valedictorian and
June 11: graduated, had to give a stupid valedictorian speech on stage that my mom wrote to 609 blurry black caps and gowns in the Alamodome
June 18:...
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June 20:...
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July 2: Ultrasound on thyroid/neck lymph nodes
July 5: Negative result
July 7-12: Stomach infection / food poisoning from strange fruit, high ass fever
July 14-16: Freshman orientation at UNT (boooooooring)
July 21-August 1: bad respiratory cold/infection, another high fever
August 7: dentist, cavities, ugh
August 24: my first college date, but not who I really wanted obviously... didn't get laid with, we never had a second date
August 25: my second college date, again not with someone ideal... total nympho, an animal freak, 10 cats and 3 dogs and 6 rats as pets... yeah. I didn't have sex with her but it was primarily my choice.
August 28: My first day of college classes
August 24-October 2nd: my time in my first dorm hall, I make some friends and some enemies, including the girl I had planned to spend my life with and marry until she started hating me for no reason
October 4: I have to leave my dorm (as well as my enemy) for a new dorm because of a fight that the Dean determined to be a big ass deal and
October 5-May 2014: my time in my second dorm hall, the nerdy honors hall, nobody to meet there, boring dorm life
October 15: I got eliminated from a karaoke contest for money even though my performance was the best. WTF???!?
November 23: UNT loses at home to UTSA, a shocker, I get wasted AF that night with some offbeat Mexican fraternity (Alpha Tau Omega?), but I didn't get laid. Bummer.
December 5-10: "Icepocalypse"; school shuts down, finals postponed, all-out , I scrape my knee in the snow, change my major, and didn't get laid. Eh.
December 13: I finally return to SA. I'm happy to see my mom at this point.
December 23: I finally get my long awaited LASIK surgery
The rest of December: I have to spend wearing goggles 24/7, even to bed, even on Christmas. was terrible
2013, tbh
I remember when he challenged Oden at the time and went in for the dunk against Portland towards the end of the game and I thought he had arrived at that point, then it was all downhill from there with very few highlights.
RJ had average handles. He couldn't create for himself. At the end of his first or second game for the Spurs, he had the ball in his hands against Dallas with the game on the line and he lost the ball trying to dribble it. Spurs lost the game. He wasn't very good and really had to be fed to score.
Jackson on his second go round had a great playoff run and almost single handily won that game 6 for them against OKC. He shot 50% from the field, 60% from three land I believe and 90% from the stripe, the only player in those 2012 playoffs to shoot that high of a %. He had the it when it counted type of mentality and was not scared of the moment where as RJ would have shrunk and went 1-5 or so in that game and be hesitant to shoot or drive in. RJ just never really had it, good numbers in NJ and then in Milwaukee for a while when he was there, would dissapear at key times though and was very soft mentally.
Man you could not make half this stuff up, sorry.. That was possibly one of the most miserable years I have read on personally.It ruined my entire summer. That, and my thyroid cancer scare (turned out to be an immune reaction to remnants of a bad cold which inflamed my hyperthyroidism). And that was the only summer in my life other than 2008 in which I caught a cold. I also had a two-week bout with food poisoning that summer due to eating a slightly rotten mango from Guatemala. And I had to get three cavities filled later that summer.
And the girl that I had talked to for several months since that spring that we had planned to be in a relationship together upon entering UNT stopped liking me and started hating me out of the blue because she all of a sudden got ultra racist/black supremacist after her white prom date at her high school dropped her off in a ditch and went out with his cousin instead. (her HS was in Ardmore, South Oklahoma Shady 580.) I haven't talked to her in 2 years, and I still don't have a GF.
2013, an all out ty year. Also
January 1 (yes, New Year's Day): went to La Cantera and bought some dress shoes and my first grown man suit and tie
January 15: got rejected from Stanford undergrad
February 4: found out I was valedictorian of my high school
March 1: first met Amanda, the aforementioned girl from south Oklahoma, at a campus tour at UNT on the road up IH-35 to my great great uncle's funeral in Omaha
March 7: got rejected from Tier One Scholar at UHouston undergrad
Also in March: found out I'd only get 3/4 cost of attendance paid for if I went to UT or A&M
April 1: Drove to Dallas and interviewed for Terry Scholarship at UNT
April 15: Rejected by Terry Scholarship foundation (and the Boston Massacre, but who cares)
May: my high school kept sodomizing me telling me I'd need to take most of the final exams because I missed 3 class days even though I was the ing valedictorian and
June 11: graduated, had to give a stupid valedictorian speech on stage that my mom wrote to 609 blurry black caps and gowns in the Alamodome
June 18:
June 20:
July 2: Ultrasound on thyroid/neck lymph nodes
July 5: Negative result
July 7-12: Stomach infection / food poisoning from strange fruit, high ass fever
July 14-16: Freshman orientation at UNT (boooooooring)
July 21-August 1: bad respiratory cold/infection, another high fever
August 7: dentist, cavities, ugh
August 24: my first college date, but not who I really wanted obviously... didn't get laid with, we never had a second date
August 25: my second college date, again not with someone ideal... total nympho, an animal freak, 10 cats and 3 dogs and 6 rats as pets... yeah. I didn't have sex with her but it was primarily my choice.
August 28: My first day of college classes
August 24-October 2nd: my time in my first dorm hall, I make some friends and some enemies, including the girl I had planned to spend my life with and marry until she started hating me for no reason
October 4: I have to leave my dorm (as well as my enemy) for a new dorm because of a fight that the Dean determined to be a big ass deal and
October 5-May 2014: my time in my second dorm hall, the nerdy honors hall, nobody to meet there, boring dorm life
October 15: I got eliminated from a karaoke contest for money even though my performance was the best. WTF???!?
November 23: UNT loses at home to UTSA, a shocker, I get wasted AF that night with some offbeat Mexican fraternity (Alpha Tau Omega?), but I didn't get laid. Bummer.
December 5-10: "Icepocalypse"; school shuts down, finals postponed, all-out , I scrape my knee in the snow, change my major, and didn't get laid. Eh.
December 13: I finally return to SA. I'm happy to see my mom at this point.
December 23: I finally get my long awaited LASIK surgery
The rest of December: I have to spend wearing goggles 24/7, even to bed, even on Christmas. was terrible
2013, tbh
This pedestrian dunk really needed it's own thread, apo?
Sad.
I also felt Stephen would have turned it up in the 2014 playoffs. I was very shocked when he was cut just before the playoffs began. I thought as bad as he was during the regular season, he would step it up in the playoffs. Most of the time he raised his game in the playoffs no matter what team he was on.
Maybe it was the right call as the young players may not have played as well as they did in the playoffs with him still being there. I don't know what he was like behind the scenes and how much trouble he was causing complaining about playing time and being better than other players ahead of him in the rotation, but I really do think that he would have stepped up his own game in the playoffs that season.
Bruh, the Spurs aren't a church choir so it doesn't how much of a character guy he was off the court if he disappears once he steps on the court. The guy completely disappeared against the Grizzlies in 2011 when the team was counting on him to step up b/c of Manu's injury: dude has two ZERO point games in that series, ZERO! That was after signing a 4yr/40mill contract & ended up getting outplayed by Gary Neal who was making a league minimum. He wasn't much better in 2010 when he got outplayed by wet-behind-the-ears George Hill against the Mavs & by 40yr old Grant Hill against the Suns. It was only fitting that his final postseason game in a Spurs uniform was a ZERO point game.
Let's not forget his choke job in the 2003 Finals when Stephen Jackson was shooting the Spurs back into Gm 6 during the 4th quarter. I'll never forget Manu stripping him of the ball & scoring a moment changing dunk which led to a Nets timeout. Jefferson had exactly ZERO points & the biggest turnover of the game during that 4th quarter.
On the other hand this is why BASKETBALL fans love Stephen "Action" Jackson:
This press conference makes me sad thinking of the "What ifs?" (2004/2006/2008) had he kept his word & been a Spur for life:
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Maybe but we will never know. Maybe Pop was right because he did not play much since?? Only a few games for the Clipps so he might have been done. Either or when the Spurs got him back I was happy as and they got rid of RJ's contract to boot!!! I was in heaven that night and it felt like a reunion and he said all the right things about he should never have left and regretted it and then had a very solid playoffs... Then poof he was gone. That ended too fast.
it's actually pretty lame.
Stephen Jackson was on his last legs in 2012-13 & couldn't even stay healthy b/c his body was breaking down. He couldn't guard anyone or hit an open shot consistently; maybe he might have had one bullet left in the chamber for a Steve Kerr type game otherwise he would have been even more of a disaster than Manu had he been a rotation player.
He was done I agree, most teams knew that too and steered clear of him.
He's got 7 inches on Tony. Of course he can dunk. If you had 7 inches, you wouldn't spend all your time here posting stupid .
Bonner is worthless in the playoffs, and proved it over and over again. I don't care if he had a game or two where some shots fell. Those games are remarkable because all the rest were such . That series against Memphis he looked like a ing matador on defense. Invite them to charge, and then move out of their way. He didn't just get beat, he got humiliated. I defended that red-headed schoolgirl for a long time, but I finally had to admit that he's never going to be a factor when it counts.
J was limp. My favorite thing was when he'd blow a defensive assignment and then bark at someone else like it was their fault. You can argue with other fans opinions of him, but when Tim Duncan es an ex-teammate the way he did Jefferson, you should understand that the guy didn't deserve any more respect than he got here. The fact that he can still get above the rim when un-defended doesn't change anything.
Pretty sure someone needs to explain to you that +/- has no correlation with individual performance. keep posting
It's all ing true, unfortunately. And I had to be on stage I probation with the university from October 2013-October 2014 for that wasn't my fault. UNT in the ass with no lube, honestly
Disagree, Robert Horry always looked "on his last legs" every regular season we had him after the 1st one, but we all know what happened with him in the playoffs... SJax was a similar type player... shot 32% in the regular season in 2012 but like 60% in the playoffs including that ridiculous game 6 in OKC... can't go by his regular season performance or regular season anything, tbh...
Horry did come alive in the playoffs but even in 2008 he was officially done, no magic for the Spurs that year against LA nor do i remember him really in the Phoenix series or NO series as well. He might have had a game here or there. Jax just looked horrible that whole year and maybe he could have helped a little bit in one game or so but nothing consistent IMO. I agree regular season is different but Jax usually showed up a few games during the year too and that year he was just awful. Might have had some to do with his kid dying or an injury or just old age? A combo of all three? Either nobody seemed to want him after that so Pop was on to something.
Sweet avatar and one-liner
It wasn't his kid, it was a miscarriage, but yeah there were a lot of personal problems.
Well basically the same thing except he never got to see it so yeah that would have been worse had the kid died after he got to hold it and know it more, sure it still hurt a lot. Personal problems and his hand was messed up too right? I remember him taping it up and his shot was off. Probably a few things that effected him.
Yeah, a few nagger injuries and that. Life begins at birth, but you're right that it sucked for him and it is especially hard for the woman in such situations. Hopefully he stayed with her and stuck by her side through it all, and they tried again (what else can you do?) Better than investing 9 years into a kid born with leukemia or progeria or some other wacky disease only to have them die on you and $200k plus down the toilet.
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Stephen was done in 2013 & was atrocious in 2014 so much so he ended up without an NBA contract. Forget his terrible shooting percentages, it was the fact he lost foot-speed b/c of a plethora of injuries & couldn't guard anyone that made it obvious in 2013. Back in 2012 it was more so him being rusty rather than dealing w/ any aliments that led to his mediocre regular season numbers. Artest, Gerald Wallace & Stephen fell off together to never experience a revival.
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