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Didn't watch it, but ya, not surprising..probably gonna go to game 5, though..HarlemHeat37 watching the Jays game? Gibbons used David Price in relief, up 7-1, won't start him in game 5.Toronto coaches
You dont want to get into a what's the gayer sport contest.
Soccer wins that hands down. There is gay going on on a minute to minute basis.
Didn't watch it, but ya, not surprising..probably gonna go to game 5, though..HarlemHeat37 watching the Jays game? Gibbons used David Price in relief, up 7-1, won't start him in game 5.
Fuking Jays..Lost 20 bucks already.
Should have never put money on toronto
Rip Gary tbh
But lol beisbol
You are basing a lot of your arguments either on personal opinions, individual examples or getting away from the topic of the thread.But there's not an "awful lot of those type" of players in baseball. Your lot keeps posting the same handful of players over and over. I can easily say that there seems to be an awful lot of skinny fat midgets in soccer and whereas in baseball, you can't make it as a professional when you look like you smoke crack everyday. See how that works? You're arbitrarily defining "athlete" as something that only people with less than 10% body fat are capable of being. Prince Fielder, a player you love posting pics of, can bench 405 pounds. That's not "athletic?"
See above. Speed isn't the only form of athleticism. Sure, there's some bums off the street that could beat David Ortiz in a footrace, but it's not likely one of them would be stronger than him, could throw harder than him. I can easily apply that logic to soccer. "Soccer has a lot of players that are comically weak, so weak that you could take a bum off the street and he would beat him in a strongman contest." Like basketball, American football, baseball has certain positions where speed and leaping ability are necessary over strength and where strength is necessary over speed and leaping.
I stand by that. The 4th fastest player in world football runs a "comically slow" 4.7 40 yard dash. You seem to think because soccer players are "lean and shredded" they're automatically faster. I also stand by baseball players being stronger on average and being able to jump higher on average. Furthermore, just because a baseball player plays a "non-athletic" position like pitcher it doesn't mean he's not athletic.
Pat here was drafted as pitcher by the Orioles:
Meanwhile, Ronaldo is tearing it up with his 31" vert, leaving the commentators in "awe."
He isn't anymore. You posted a pic of past his prime Ortiz. He was a lot leaner when he was a superstar. Besides, fat=/=unathletic.
Stats don't bear that out. Attendance is just as good as ever. If you're talking about television ratings, every sport (aside from Am. Football) isn't as "popular as it used to be" because there's more than 13 channels now.
I don't care if you find it boring. I totally understand that. If you didn't grow up with it, it's a hard game to come into. My issue is with the re ed arguments about athleticism put forth by soccer fans. They pretty much reduce it to stamina, which is the easiest thing to train for.
You are making this more boring than baseball itself. The are you even arguing? Baseball, physically, is a lot less demanding than pretty much any other sport in the World. This is common knowledge. That's why overweight people can play it (no matter how few of those players you claim to be now, they're still there. Try to find one fat futbol player) and why baseball has the highest age average of any major sport.
Yeah, the fastest baseball player might be faster than the fastest futbol player. Futbol players on average are still faster than baseball players.
Yeah, the baseball player with the highest leap might jump higher than the futbol player with the highest leap. Futbol players on average still jump higher than baseball players. (lol at the thought of all those fat and old DH and Pitchers trying to jump)
Yeah, strength might be in favour of baseball, I could give you that. Still, you're underrating futbol players strength, remember leg strenght is also strength. I doubt there are athletes with more leg strenght than futbol players. This is how midget futbol players look like:
Endurance, no contest.
Stamina, lol.
What else is there? Quickness? Futbol players with all those fast first steps, stop and goes, turnarounds and quick little moves to drible past players makes this a no contest too.
Seriously, I don't know what you're arguing. Stop trying to win a lost battle and move on to more productive things like trolling Lakers fans, thing at which you're the GOAT son.
Seriously if you can still play at 45 and be fat at the same time..That speaks volume of how demanding that particular sport it.
No, I'm basing my arguments on the stats I could provide that reasonably measure a few core athletic traits of the players in question. You're the one making qualitative arguments and reducing athleticism to your arbitrary definition of it ("uh, if you're not shredded with 10% body fat and can run 5 miles, you can't be a great athlete!")
Again, you're basing physicality on your narrow definition of it. I have no clue which sport sends players into retirement faster, but just because you don't run around for 5 miles during a game doesn't mean that baseball isn't physically demanding. Pitchers, without fail, will need surgery once, twice, sometimes multiple times throughout their career. And hitting imparts massive torque to your back, lower body, and hips. All you see is the 4 times the hitter bats in a game and not the countless hours of batting practice they put in. Average age is also a very poor indicator of how "demanding" a sport is. Boxing is probably the most demanding sport there is and there have been world champions in their late 30's and mid 40's. Hockey is another rough, demanding sport, and players routinely play into their 40's. Your argument doesn't hold water in this case.Baseball, physically, is a lot less demanding than pretty much any other sport in the World. This is common knowledge. That's why overweight people can play it (no matter how few of those players you claim to be now, they're still there. Try to find one fat futbol player) and why baseball has the highest age average of any major sport.
Where's the stats? Again, you see "fat" players and think they can't run, but American football has shown us that "fat" athletes can run under 5.0 seconds 40's.Yeah, the fastest baseball player might be faster than the fastest futbol player. Futbol players on average are still faster than baseball players.
See above. And again with referencing the fat DHs and relief pitchers. They're a very small minority in the league, as much as minority as dough, skinny fat midgets/Lurches are in soccer that you know couldn't jump six inches in the air if their life depended on it.Yeah, the baseball player with the highest leap might jump higher than the futbol player with the highest leap. Futbol players on average still jump higher than baseball players. (lol at the thought of all those fat and old DH and Pitchers trying to jump)
Most of your throwing and hitting power is generated from the legs, and if vertical leaps tell us anything, my bet is with baseball players having superior leg strength. Baseball players are also 20-30lb heavier on average (more weight on your frame=stronger), so you're really reaching here.Yeah, strength might be in favour of baseball, I could give you that. Still, you're underrating futbol players strength, remember leg strenght is also strength. I doubt there are athletes with more leg strenght than futbol players.
This is how midget futbol players look like:
There's nothing impressive about Messi's physique from a musculature point of view (
Each sport requires a different kind of endurance, so the comparison is fruitless.Endurance, no contest.
Yes, as I've admitted.Stamina, lol.
I've admitted quickness in favor of the soccer player, as well. But strength (lower and upper body), sprint speed, and leaping go to the baseball player.What else is there? Quickness? Futbol players with all those fast first steps, stop and goes, turnarounds and quick little moves to drible past players makes this a no contest too.
Mike Trout is becoming the mold for the outfield position. 6'2" 230lb, 21mph top speed (faster than Ronaldo), 35" NO STEP vertical (check the box jump), and probably around a 350-400lb bench press. No soccer player on earth has attributes and a size to speed ratio like that.
The infield mold aside from 1st base and catcher is 180-190lp speedsters (sometimes faster than those outfielders) who can also leap and have to have world class hand eye coordination and throwing power. Dee Gordon here was once a highly recruited basketball player:
And those players aren't "exceptions," they're becoming the rule. The fatties are the exception.
I don't care about those few "fatties." There's more than enough athleticism on an MLB roster to cover for their deficiencies in our mythical soccer players vs. baseball players decathlon meet. That's what you're not getting. Baseball is more specialized than soccer, the "fatties" can be fit into a limited role if they're good enough. That said, the whole "if fat people can play it, it must not be demanding" logic is nonsense.
Better endurance than any soccer player who's ever lived (even at that weight and age):
Yes, baseball isn't boxing, but if Messi tried to throw twenty 95mph like "fatty" Bartolo Colon, his arm would be in a sling. As easily as you say, "well, you'll never see a fat player in soccer," I can say, "You'll never see a 5'5" midget become a pitcher."
And declaring victory for themselves is precisely what those Lakers fans do when they don't have a coherent rebuttal.Seriously, I don't know what you're arguing. Stop trying to win a lost battle and move on to more productive things like trolling Lakers fans, thing at which you're the GOAT son.
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This is not an athlete.
The MLB turning a blind eye towards steroids to make the sport watchable is a fact.
And yet that guy runs faster than Ronaldo
This is not an athlete:
The ?
Baseball rosters consists of around 30 to mid 30's number of players of which about 2/3 of the spots are occupied by pitchers. Just on that alone you have 2/3 of the baseball roster that is less athletic than all the players on a futbol roster. Then you have about 3 catchers, 2 1B's and 1 DH. Too many weak links. You would need all the remaining 10 spots to be filled with a mixture of Usain Bolt, Lebron James, Michael Phelps, Floyd Mayweather and whoever the highest leaper and best marothonist in the World are. And that would probably still wouldn't be enough.
Futbol players are trained to have a very high level of athleticism on every athletic trait there is and like you said baseball has too many specialist. Unless you don't know how averages work I don't know how can you say that a baseball roster would be more athletic on average than a football player.
Apparently the guy with the fastest fast ball is some guy named Chapman. His legs look very skinny to me.Most of your throwing and hitting power is generated from the legs, and if vertical leaps tell us anything, my bet is with baseball players having superior leg strength. Baseball players are also 20-30lb heavier on average (more weight on your frame=stronger), so you're really reaching here.
This is more or less how all futbol players legs look like:
Here's a midget legs
Which look stronger to you? Either way, I don't care. I have already conceded strength.
Outside of the staring pitcher, the only endurance baseball requires is the endurance of trying not to fall asleep during the slow ass, 5 hours games. GTFO.Each sport requires a different kind of endurance, so the comparison is fruitless.
See the first part of my reply for the answer to this. Unathletic players aren't the exception, more than 2/3 of baseball rosters are made of pitchers, catchers, 1B's and DH. The athletic ones are the ones that are the exception. And no, just because a guy specializes on a specific athletic trait doesn't mean that he is more athletic than a guy that doesn't stand out on any athletic trait (although futbol players do stand out on stamina) but it's above average on every athletic trait there is.I've admitted quickness in favor of the soccer player, as well. But strength (lower and upper body), sprint speed, and leaping go to the baseball player.
Mike Trout is becoming the mold for the outfield position. 6'2" 230lb, 21mph top speed (faster than Ronaldo), 35" NO STEP vertical (check the box jump), and probably around a 350-400lb bench press. No soccer player on earth has attributes and a size to speed ratio like that.
The infield mold aside from 1st base and catcher is 180-190lp speedsters (sometimes faster than those outfielders) who can also leap and have to have world class hand eye coordination and throwing power. Dee Gordon here was once a highly recruited basketball player:
And those players aren't "exceptions," they're becoming the rule. The fatties are the exception.
I don't care about those few "fatties." There's more than enough athleticism on an MLB roster to cover for their deficiencies in our mythical soccer players vs. baseball players decathlon meet. That's what you're not getting. Baseball is more specialized than soccer, the "fatties" can be fit into a limited role if they're good enough. That said, the whole "if fat people can play it, it must not be demanding" logic is nonsense.
Better endurance than any soccer player who's ever lived (even at that weight and age):
Yes, baseball isn't boxing, but if Messi tried to throw twenty 95mph like "fatty" Bartolo Colon, his arm would be in a sling. As easily as you say, "well, you'll never see a fat player in soccer," I can say, "You'll never see a 5'5" midget become a pitcher."
I think I'm giving you more than a coherent rebuttal, tbh.And declaring victory for themselves is precisely what those Lakers fans do when they don't have a coherent rebuttal.
Two errors here. An EPL roster is 25 deep. Since baseball uses their bench more, they need to have bigger rosters, so I can trim the fat to the best 25. I'm confident an MLB team would beat a top soccer team in 25 vs 25 decathlon meet. The other error is assuming that all DHs, 1st basemen, catchers, and pitchers don't have above average athleticism. 1st basemen and DHs (which wouldn't even be on the roster if an NL team competed) are the "power lifters" of the team and would clean up in our decathlon at the shot put, javelin, and discus. Odds are, the best soccer jav, discus, and shot put thrower would be worse than his worst MLB counterpart. The soccer players sweep the 1500m, but I don't think by enough of a margin to offset them getting trounced in the power events. Sprinting I'm going with the MLB players as well as long jump and high jump. Hurdles, even. Pole Vault, edge to the soccer players for being lighter. And not all soccer players are athletic freaks. There's very poor athletes out there (relatively speaking) in pro soccer who get by on stamina and skill. David Beckham comes to mind. Always looked like he was moving in pudding.
The only way to know this for a fact is through stats. Leg press stats, squats, etc. Although you know as well as I do that Maradona and Ronaldo's quads aren't typical? I can easily post the legs of top players that look more "normal." And yeah, Ronaldo probably beats Chapman in leg strength contest, but if you averaged it out over two rosters, the baseball players would have a higher mark, because their highest ten would be considerably higher than the soccer team's highest ten, just due to the fact that it's rare for a soccer team to have players weighing over 180lb, while a baseball roster will have many players weighing over 200lb that are shredded freaks.Which look stronger to you? Either way, I don't care. I have already conceded strength.
You're discounting hours of batting practice. That chews up your body. Trust me. Look how many golfers have back and hip problems and such? Even Tiger's body is failing him, and he's a physical specimen.Outside of the staring pitcher, the only endurance baseball requires is the endurance of trying not to fall asleep during the slow ass, 5 hours games. GTFO.
See above. Again, you assume those guys aren't athletic. Albert Pujols bench presses 450lb. Can run fast for his size. Quick reflexes having to play first base. How isn't that "athletic?" Pujols is definitely above average in most athletic traits. And I know baseball players aren't known for their stamina, but we actually don't know how well conditioned they are. A couple of hours of batting practice works you out as if you were on a rowing machine for that amount of time. Running around isn't the only kind of aerobic exercise.Unathletic players aren't the exception, more than 2/3 of baseball rosters are made of pitchers, catchers, 1B's and DH. The athletic ones are the ones that are the exception. And no, just because a guy specializes on a specific athletic trait doesn't mean that he is more athletic than a guy that doesn't stand out on any athletic trait (although futbol players do stand out on stamina) but it's above average on every athletic trait there is.
Your reply here was coherent. My goal with all of this is to dispel the assertion at the start of this thread that you don't need to be athletic to play baseball at a high level. You can find it slow, boring, whatever, I don't care, but baseball players need to be just as dedicated and "athletic" to succeed in the game as any other major sport. Posting the "fatties" is like posting Peter Crouch and saying if someone who looks like this can play soccer professionally, then it must not be a demanding sport. There's always exceptions.I think I'm giving you more than a coherent rebuttal, tbh.
Dodgers/Mets 3.3 rating
Crazy number. That is two if the biggest markets I know it's a stretchDodgers/Mets 3.3 rating
That POS MNF game with backup QB's put up an 8.5 ratingCrazy number. That is two if the biggest markets I know it's a stretch
Dodgers/Mets 3.3 ratingCrazy number. That is two if the biggest markets I know it's a stretchThat POS MNF game with backup QB's put up an 8.5 rating
The national ratings for baseball are never that great compared to the local TV ratings which are astronomical. That's why teams have monster TV deals making baseball teams the 2nd most profitable sports teams in this country behind the NFL.
The Royals averaged 12.3 rating this season on their local telecasts.
That wasn't the ratings for last night's game. Worth nothing, it's the 2nd game of a 1st round matchup on TBS, and under those cir stances, 3.3 is a strong number.Crazy number. That is two if the biggest markets I know it's a stretch
Beat last year's Game 7 (which always draw) between the Clippers and Spurs:
And the ratings for Game 7 between the Clippers and Rockets on ABC, two strong markets:NBA Western Conference First Round Game 7: San Antonio at L.A. Clippers - 2.8
Ratings from Game 1 of Cubs/Cardinals:Game 7 of the Clippers/Rockets NBA playoff series drew a 4.4 final rating and 6.9 million viewers on ABC last Sunday,
The Cubs/Cardinals game averaged 5,376,000 viewers, with a peak of seven million total from 9:00-9:15 PM. Overall, ratings for the game represented a 107% increase in total viewers,
Describes the Lakers to be honest.
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