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It would be interesting to make these teams and consider the actual fit, tbh..
Chris Paul would be an awful fit with these teams, so would Lebron, tbh..obviously an Iverson/Kobe backcourt would be a disaster, too..
LMAO, Stockton being utterly dominated by Payton was the reason the Jazz lost to the Sonics. Stockton 9/7/2 (39%) Payton 20/6/5 (50%). They were both in their primes so no excuses. Put Payton on the Jazz & Malone would have a chip b/c Jordan wouldn't dominate the Jazz. Payton made Kemp a household name so there is no reason he couldn't play w/ Malone. As far as the Rockets, Payton was the best player in the series when the Sonics defeated the Rockets in 96. They don't play the same position but Payton outplayed Hakeem. The Jazz used to get their ass handed to them by the Rockets b/c Stockton couldn't dominate wack ass Kenny Smith (94, 95). It was only after Kenny Smith left the Jazz beat the Rockets (97).
Payton was a better defender, better scorer, better leader, better post-up player & caused matchup headaches. Stockton was a better shooter/passer but not by a margin that would make me choose him over Payton.
The reason the Sonics were able to take two games from the Bulls was b/c George Karl finally let Payton guard Jordan when the Sonics were on the verge of getting swept. Payton outplayed Jordan in the final 3 games & it was Rodman that bailed out Jordan. The Nuggets upset the Sonics b/c Mutombo owned Kemp in the paint & the Nuggets actually were a very good team ala the 2011 Grizz (People forget that they pushed the same Jazz team that obliterated the Admiral led Spurs to 7 games & Stockton was mediocre in Gm 7).
As far as Chris Paul, Wade deserves to be on the 2000s team over him since they have Barkley as a small-forward on the 90s team. Wade was essentially a point guard before Lebron took his talents to South Beach & Chris Paul would be playing w/ LeBron on the 2000s team thus he wouldn't be the point guard anyways. It all comes down to Wade being a better combo guard than Paul & also being more accomplished in the 2000s than Paul.
It would be interesting to make these teams and consider the actual fit, tbh..
Chris Paul would be an awful fit with these teams, so would Lebron, tbh..obviously an Iverson/Kobe backcourt would be a disaster, too..
its like they intentionally tried to up some of these teams... barkley at the 3, bill russell at the 4, magic/isaiah at the 2...
the only squads that are properly assembled by position are the 70's and 00's... but maravich is garbage and kobe/iverson is just lol
Any team with Dad Killer needs to have Scottie on it, too, tbh..needs Scottie to hold his hand..
Great points ...never got the CP3/Lebron Pipe dreams ...wade and Lebron struggled to work ideally if you have a play-making forward like Lebron the last thing you want is a ball dominant PG that is why I am not 100% cure the Cavs will win. If they do it's because Kyrie stayed healthy and also became a knock down shooter off the skip pass. Right now he shoots best in rhythm off the bounce ...
Same with these teams. David Robinson may get some hate on here but his mid-range j, qucikness and speed would be a better fit than Ewing and maybe even Hakeem when you are talking "super teams". Plus he has already shown he can defer to stars on the origina Dream Team and is willing to subjugate his game for a true alpha. To many alphas on one squad is not ideal ...
My all 80's Team
C Kareem
F Bird
F Nique
G Isiah
G Magic
Not a great defensive team ... but offensively the goods. Nique is on it for speed/athelticism.
90's
C Hakeem
F Barkley
F Malone
G Payton
G MJ
I know Pippen "fits" better but how can you choose a 90's team and leave off Chuck? Besides you have 3 Goat rebounders plus two DPOTY in the backcourt. 3 point shooting is a weakness here though ...
2000's
C Shaq
F Duncan
F Lebron
G Kobe
G Kidd
3 point shooting is also weak but Kobe/Lebron/kidd all can hit them. passing on this team would be as good or maybe even better than the 80's team. all 5 players are great on the block and or in the paint. Not sure even MJ with Hakeem could beat this team tbh.
I was a huge Nique fan. But in terms of fitting on this team, I like Worthy.
Hakeem
Nobody can with that 90s in regards to the "All-S bag Team", though, tbh..Hakeem, Karl Malone and Dad Killer..
i would cut malone. with this caliber a team, you aren't going to have a 2 man game with him and stock
Better team player. More reliable mid-range jumper. Good speed and athleticism though no one was on Nique's level except MJ ...
But worthy was the better post player by far ...
A case can be made for James and McHale ... but the 80's squad really need more explosiveness so I went for one of the most explosive players of all time.
That would be a good choice but without Malone what little chance would they have vs. Shaq/duncan/Lebron with only Hakeem? Lebron at SF is almost as big as hakeem ...if the goal is just picking the best "fit" you take Pippen. if you want to compete with 2000's you need Malone. against the 80's Chuck and Pippen would be fine vs. Bird/nique.
Admiral beta ass would be a good fit since he wouldn't be part of a power struggle & won't mind doing the dirty stuff.
Me and a friend are discussing the 90s and 2000s team match up right now. He thinks the key matchups are Iverson-Stockton and Lebron-Barkley. No way in could Stockton stop a prime A.I, but the Barkley-Lebron matchup is interesting though. Both of them play a similar brand of 'Bully Ball", LeBron has more range but I think Chuck is better in the post. I think everyone in the 90s-2000s matchup somewhat cancels one another out in some way though tbh.
Just watched this again to remind myself of how beastly Chuck was
No one could stop Hakeem or MJ on the other side,,,,Me and a friend are discussing the 90s and 2000s team match up right now. He thinks the key matchups are Iverson-Stockton and Lebron-Barkley. No way in could Stockton stop a prime A.I, but the Barkley-Lebron matchup is interesting though. Both of them play a similar brand of 'Bully Ball", LeBron has more range but I think Chuck is better in the post. I think everyone in the 90s-2000s matchup somewhat cancels one another out in some way though tbh.
Just watched this again to remind myself of how beastly Chuck was
Exactly, everyone cancels one another out imo.
But see they don't cancel out,,,Hakeem would crush Shaq,,,MJ would crush Kobrick,,,Duncan would crush Malone,,,LeBron and Barkley are a wash,,,and Stockton is better than A.I.,,,Stockton is a pure PG. Not a SG running the point like Iverson was. Stockton would have dished to his heart's content,,
Even one better, Hawk,,,look back at this thread and see the people replacing A.I with Nash,,,,Nash was a poor man's John Stockton. Stockton was one of the top 3 point guards of All Time,,,(Magic, Stockton, Oscar)
Idk man, yes Hakeem's footwork and endless fakes would leave Shaq confused as , but Hakeem would be a victim to Shaq's brute force on the other end. MJ would win the matchup with his heir Kobe Bryant, but no way it would be some kind of domination, prime Kobe was a monster in his own right. And I don't see how Mailman would get dominated by Timmy? And Stockton being better than A.I is a different argument. Do you think Stockton can effectively guard a prime Allen Iverson? I don't think he could.
Kevin Johnson used to run circles around Stockton & actually outplayed both PRIME Magic/Stockton in 90 postseason. If it wasn't for nagging injuries (ala Wade) KJ would have had a 1st ballot HOFer. Dude was a beast even after he got injured & the Suns would have beaten the Bulls in 93 if he wasn't limited by a hernia.
Barkley was as good a mid-range shooter as LeBron & there is no doubt he would have destroyed LeBron in the paint, Lebron couldn't even check David West.
I believe John Stockton was a 5 time 2nd team All Defensive team in his career,,,,and I think Allen Iverson never made any defensive team in his career,,,once again he was an SG running the point. Do you realize Stockton has almost 16,000 assists,,,over 3,000 assists more than the 2nd place guy in NBA history? Its not even debatable,,,Stockton>>>>Iverson.
I'm not making the argument about who the better player is. I'm making the argument that Stockton would get smoked by a prime Allen Iverson. Did it look like Stockton was able to guard Allen Iverson here?
But youre making isolated arguments like it would be a one on one show,,,Stockton fits the 90s team perfectly and they crush all,,,,
Again, Iverson can't play w/ other ball dominant players & both would get abused by bigger guards. The solution is Gary Payton.
What makes you say that?
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