Kawhi-Lights

[spurraider21]

[spurraider21]

seems like bball reference isn't consistent with itself depending on which page you are viewing

edit: i think the numbers i'm looking at combine reg season and playoffs

[apalisoc_9]

i pulled my numbers from bball reference. apalisoc ignoring facts

he's using kawhi's shooting figures from 13-14 when he had a more limited offensive role, rather than 14-15 when he became top dog and leading scorer

You're a big fat liar..and you just obviously admitted that a few post after.

Congrats, your're showing improvement..you're a step towards your ceiling.

[Kool Bob Love]

You're ignoring facts, as Always.

Yeezus.

[apalisoc_9]

i pulled my numbers from bball reference. apalisoc ignoring facts

he's using kawhi's shooting figures from 13-14 when he had a more limited offensive role, rather than 14-15 when he became top dog and leading scorer

Kawhi shot 46% in 13-14 at that range and 48% as a top dog.

Stop embarrassing yourself...

[spurraider21]

i showed my numbers, they're accurate. they just include postseason play. i understand why you'd want to ignore kawhi's 14-15 postseason numbers where he shot ~40% from 10-16

i assumed you were using the previous years numbers, because in the stats i posted, he shot 48% from 10-16 in 2013-2014. but again, i didnt realize the page i was viewing included postseason numbers

[apalisoc_9]

i showed my numbers, they're accurate. they just include postseason play. i understand why you'd want to ignore kawhi's 14-15 postseason numbers where he shot ~40% from 10-16

i assumed you were using the previous years numbers, because in the stats i posted, he shot 48% from 10-16 in 2013-2014. but again, i didnt realize the page i was viewing included postseason numbers

You're just making up lies right now. If you really did include the Post-Season in both numbers, then you'd have kawhi shooting 41 at 16<, instead you had him at 47% for 10-16 (playoff stats) and 42 for 16<. You made a mistake. just admit instead of trying to throw shots and trying to zig zig your way out of a mistake.

[spurraider21]

i posted screenshots. if you're going to call bball reference inaccurate, thats your deal

[apalisoc_9]

i posted screenshots. if you're going to call bball reference inaccurate, thats your deal

Except you accused me of ignoring the post-season, when that's far from the truth....I'm not even talking about bball reference.

this difference of 1% doesn't excuse you from your complete lack of understanding how to utilize an offensive option that can shot in all distances...

Allowing star production points will always come with bad shots, every game..It's just a matter of lowering those numbers and Kawhi is doing a great job of minimizing those bad shots...Heck guys like Curry who I consider as the best offensive player in the league takes multiple terrible shots a game...It's part of the game. You cant tell a star player you're expecting star production from to stop taking jumpers they're comfortable taking...

We want kawhi to take more 10-16 than 16<..but he's never going to abandon 16< and he really shouldn't....

[spurraider21]

i acknowledged the differences between our stats, which in effect recanted my accusation

[pookenstein]

You're ignoring facts, as Always.

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[FkLA]

I'm cringing at spurraider's posts. Srs.

[apalisoc_9]

Not sure what's wrong with Kanye's track "Amazing"... is dupe.

[pookenstein]

[pookenstein]

But, I apologize. This is not the place to talk about your taste in music.

[tholdren]

He shot 48.1 from 10-16 and 416% from 16< according to basketball reference....not 47.

He's not going to shot 10-16 significantly higher than 16<..otherwise his midrange fakes are going to be useless.

All in all he's shooting the 10-16 and 16< combined at an efficient rate. that's what matters. I'll have a problem with his game if he starts taking more shots in 16< than 10-16...But we all know this discussion was about last night game and the preseason in general and he hasn't shown any sign that he'll shoot the former more than the latter. He needs balance. between three points, 16< and 10-16..it's called being unpredictable.

If he's going to totally abandon 16< he'll more than likely going to lose efficiency at 10-16 just because he'd be super predictable to defend.

That's not how defense of offense works. Have you ever played organized basketball at a high level?

[dabom]

I'm cringing at spurraider's posts. Srs.

[Chinook]

Who the would make a video just for that?

Anyway, yeah, there are a TON of poor shots in that video. Baseline fadeaways off cross court dribbles with 15 seconds left on the shot clock? Disgusting. Face-up jumpers with multiple teammates open beyond the arc? Yeah, not good. And these are his highlights. His shot-selection does suck.

What he did that I really liked in that vid is that he attacked mismatches. He used his speed against big guys and overpowered smalls. His highlights were almost exclusively in these situations, which is what you want. It also implies that he has less success against defenders his own size, which is to be expected. It's that diet of shots that he needs to cut back on, though, as well as early clock two-pointers.

It's really cool that Kawhi has the talent to make these plays work as much as they do. But that doesn't make those plays good for the offense at all.

Wut. His finishing and handles are still developing, which makes his midrange game the best part of his halfcourt game. I'm not sure why he wouldn't use it often just bc it doesn't fit yalls definition of what a good shot is? I mean I guess I could understand if he shot 40% over the course of an entire season but I don't see that happening. He was shooting closer to 60% during that great stretch last year to end the season.

Just because he doesn't have a better shot doesn't mean the TEAM doesn't have a better one. That's why Kawhi can't just jack up midrange shots all day. They're bad for a team, and if they're the best he can do, he needs to shoot less until that changes. Obviously things are different when he goes into big-head mode. But that's true of ever player.

[tholdren]

Who the would make a video just for that?

Anyway, yeah, there are a TON of poor shots in that video. Baseline fadeaways off cross court dribbles with 15 seconds left on the shot clock? Disgusting. Face-up jumpers with multiple teammates open beyond the arc? Yeah, not good. And these are his highlights. His shot-selection does suck.

What he did that I really liked in that vid is that he attacked mismatches. He used his speed against big guys and overpowered smalls. His highlights were almost exclusively in these situations, which is what you want. It also implies that he has less success against defenders his own size, which is to be expected. It's that diet of shots that he needs to cut back on, though, as well as early clock two-pointers.

It's really cool that Kawhi has the talent to make these plays work as much as they do. But that doesn't make those plays good for the offense at all.



Just because he doesn't have a better shot doesn't mean the TEAM doesn't have a better one. That's why Kawhi can't just jack up midrange shots all day. They're bad for a team, and if they're the best he can do, he needs to shoot less until that changes. Obviously things are different when he goes into big-head mode. But that's true of ever player.

100. Until Leonard can understand the situation he won't be the team leader.

[313]

That's not how defense of offense works. Have you ever played organized basketball at a high level?

Ya according to that guy Kawhi uses mid range shots(<16) to open up mid range shots (10-16) lol never heard that before

[Seventyniner]

Go read this: http://grantland.com/the-triangle/th...een-televised/




That picture is worth a thousand words. The same shot from the same part of the floor, even by the same player, doesn't always have the same value. Wide open pick-and-pop jumpers, even when they're dreaded "long 2s," are efficient enough to not hurt your offense. Kawhi takes far too many of those shots on the left, unassisted midrage jumpers.

[ceperez]

Go read this: http://grantland.com/the-triangle/th...een-televised/




That picture is worth a thousand words. The same shot from the same part of the floor, even by the same player, doesn't always have the same value. Wide open pick-and-pop jumpers, even when they're dreaded "long 2s," are efficient enough to not hurt your offense. Kawhi takes far too many of those shots on the left, unassisted midrage jumpers.

This could be a big problem if the Spurs settle with their two highest paid players taking mostly midrange unassisted shots.

[K...]

This could be a big problem if the Spurs settle with their two highest paid players taking mostly midrange unassisted shots.

Eh, the goal is to have mediocre players always move the ball and have your stars break down the defense. If everyone plays for the assist you have to move the ball especially well or the defense will not respect the shot and play passing lanes.


The article explicitly says, guys who can make mid range shots are valuable and shouldn't be considered inefficient because they are providing diversity and unpredictably to the team.

[Chinook]

Yeah, so it's about balance. There are great midrange shots to take based on the situation in addition making something happen, you have shots like Parker's and Westbrook's pull-ups, which are necessary in keeping defenders from sagging back to contain the drive.

[Seventyniner]

My point was similar to Chinook's, in that if you want to force-feed Kawhi and run the offense through him, you're mainly going to get unassisted mid-range jumpers. He needs to be heavily involved, but not as the focal point where everything starts.