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[hater]

2 way crazier states have nukes and everything is fine. Pakistan and N Korea.

Iran is a much more stable advanced state.

No concerns from me at all. Let em have it. Stop the fearmongering.

The only reason the West, Israel and the Sauds don't want Iran to get one is because then they would have to start treating it with respect.

[Phenomanul]

2 way crazier states have nukes and everything is fine. Pakistan and N Korea.

Iran is a much more stable advanced state.

No concerns from me at all. Let em have it. Stop the fearmongering.

The only reason the West, Israel and the Sauds don't want Iran to get one is because then they would have to start treating it with respect.

Didn't Iran's head-of-state, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad declare almost 10 years ago to the date, "Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad." ?

which translates to, "The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time".

His speech was led, "The World Without Zionism"... you don't even have to read between the lines to see the disdain towards Israel. His rhetoric can't be defended or justified as being 'peaceful' - unless of course you also believe that "Zionists" are worthy of spite.

These anti-Semitic nuggets also from Ahmadinejad in 2009:

"The pretext (Holocaust) for the creation of the Zionist regime (Israel) is false ... It is a lie based on an unprovable and mythical claim," Ahmadinejad told worshippers at Tehran University at the end of an annual anti-Israel "Qods (Jerusalem) Day" rally.

"Confronting the Zionist regime is a national and religious duty."

"This regime (Israel) will not last long. Do not tie your fate to it ... This regime has no future. Its life has come to an end," Ahmadinejad said in a speech broadcast live on state radio.

It is apparent that Iran harbors resentment against the Israelis. As many already know, Israel has possessed Nuclear Weapons for decades - If they planned on using it against their neighbors they would have done so already. You don't need a self-declared enemy also possessing nukes because all that would do is ESCALATE the consequences of any head-to-head conflict and the very risk of confrontation. The Pakistani / Indian conflict or the tensions in the U.S. / Russian or U.S. / N. Korea conflicts speak volumes of this dynamic (and frankly we're all tired of it). The world doesn't need another player in that high-stakes 'game' of nuclear roulette. The ramifications of nuclear deployment of any type are not something to be taken lightly.

Dwindling Iranian oil production coupled with the fact that vast reserves of oil have been discovered under Israel over the last few years is another factor that is slipping under the radar as a major gamechanger. Why do you think Russia is now showing more interest in the Israeli/Iranian conflict? Why else do you think Putin is trying to resolve the Syrian conflict by directly involving his military...? Did I mention that these recent oil finds were near the Israeli / Syrian disputed zones? Doesn't take much to place all the pieces together.

You facetiously and carelessly call it fear mongering... but the proverbial 'writing on the wall' is pretty clear to me.

[hater]

Didn't Iran's head-of-state, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad declare almost 10 years ago to the date, "Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad." ?

which translates to, "The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time".

There is nothing wrong with what he said. He basically meant he was hoping for regime change.

the bull rhetoric from West and Israel has been debunked by many experts:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...jun/14/post155

"A native English speaker could equally confuse "stage of history" with "page of history". The significant issue is that both phrases refer to time rather than place. As I wrote in my original post, the Iranian president was expressing a vague wish for the future. He was not threatening an Iranian-initiated war to remove Israeli control over Jerusalem."

"The monitor has checked again. It's a difficult expression to translate. They're under time pressure to produce a translation quickly and they were searching for the right phrase. With more time to reflect they would say the translation should be "eliminated from the page of history".

So there we have it. Starting with Juan Cole, and going via the New York Times' experts through MEMRI to the BBC's monitors, the consensus is that Ahmadinejad did not talk about any maps. He was, as I insisted in my original piece, offering a vague wish for the future.

It is apparent that Iran harbors resentment against the Israelis.

and vice versa.

Dwindling Iranian oil production coupled with the fact that vast reserves of oil have been discovered under Israel over the last few years is another factor that is slipping under the radar as a major gamechanger.

wtf you talking about. Iran is top 4 in the world in oil reserves. this hasn't changed (yes I heard about the oil in Israel, but no way its bigger than Irans)

Why do you think Russia is now showing more interest in the Israeli/Iranian conflict? Why else do you think Putin is trying to resolve the Syrian conflict by directly involving his military...? Doesn't take much to place all the pieces together.

except you have it all wrong. Russia is suffering as well due to the Saudi flooding of the oil market and driving price down.

again. stop parroting the fearmongering rhetoric of the Iranian boogeymen. there is no proof whatsoever Iran would immediately use the first nuke available to them.

[in2deep]

its' the typical repeat a lie often enough until it is accepted as truth.

same thing happened with the "WMDs in Iraq bull " this "Iran wants to attack Israel because this guy said so" is the same kind of bull

shameful

[clambake]

maybe the answers can be found on a ouija board.

[ChumpDumper]

That is not the concern. The concern is a nuclear device in the hands of a group who has nothing to lose and everything to gain by martyrdom or whatever the flavor of the period happens to McVeighbe. But this is an unrealistic fear? This is the fear of a world of fools including Russia, China and India?

Seriously, if Iran had nothing to lose and just wanted martyrdom for their country they never would have agreed to a cease fire with Iraq and would've launched some kind of attack on the US after we shot down one of their airliners and "martyred" 300 of their people.

[m>s]

David noooo!

[Phenomanul]

There is nothing wrong with what he said. He basically meant he was hoping for regime change.

the bull rhetoric from West and Israel has been debunked by many experts:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...jun/14/post155

"A native English speaker could equally confuse "stage of history" with "page of history". The significant issue is that both phrases refer to time rather than place. As I wrote in my original post, the Iranian president was expressing a vague wish for the future. He was not threatening an Iranian-initiated war to remove Israeli control over Jerusalem."

"The monitor has checked again. It's a difficult expression to translate. They're under time pressure to produce a translation quickly and they were searching for the right phrase. With more time to reflect they would say the translation should be "eliminated from the page of history".

So there we have it. Starting with Juan Cole, and going via the New York Times' experts through MEMRI to the BBC's monitors, the consensus is that Ahmadinejad did not talk about any maps. He was, as I insisted in my original piece, offering a vague wish for the future.

The correctly translated version of Ahmadinejad's quote at the summit (which I provided in both Farsi and English - given I knew of the "translation controversy") is:

1) Exactly what I wrote in my original post.

2) Still cause for concern. Arguing about semantics doesn't remove it's anti-Semitic sentiment. You're trying too hard to play it down.


In other words, your rebuttal is a strawman re-direct given you didn't address the fact that Ahmadinejad also propagates his erroneous belief that the Nazi-led Jewish holocaust was a western fabrication. Really? You have a head-of-state re-writing one of the darkest moments in human history to justify his belligerent ideology - and this isn't cause for concern. It's no wonder you chose not to address it.

Oh, and by the way blaming Cole as the originator of the mistranslation, as if it was some orchestrated Machiavellian ploy is rather disingenuous:

"The inflammatory “wiped off the map” quote was first disseminated not by Iran’s enemies, but by Iran itself. The Islamic Republic News Agency, Iran’s official propaganda arm, used this phrasing in the English version of some of their news releases covering the World Without Zionism conference. International media including the BBC, Al Jazeera, Time magazine and countless others picked up the IRNA quote and made headlines out of it without verifying its accuracy, and rarely referring to the source. Iran’s Foreign Minister soon attempted to clarify the statement, but the quote had a life of its own. Though the IRNA wording was inaccurate and misleading, the media assumed it was true, and besides, it made great copy."

Was the mistranslation irresponsible? Yes. Was it an orchestrated and pre-conceived lie? Hardly.

Oh, and again... to point out your strawman, I didn't quote the mistranslation.

wtf you talking about. Iran is top 4 in the world in oil reserves. this hasn't changed (yes I heard about the oil in Israel, but no way its bigger than Irans)



except you have it all wrong. Russia is suffering as well due to the Saudi flooding of the oil market and driving price down.

again. stop parroting the fearmongering rhetoric of the Iranian boogeymen. there is no proof whatsoever Iran would immediately use the first nuke available to them.

For the longest time, Israel was an oil-dependent country (needing to import). In fact, Israel was No. 86 on a oil-reserves list compiled in 2005.

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-...y/Oil/Reserves

With the recent oil and shale-oil finds, this side of 2005, Israel's reserves are estimated to be at 250 Billion barrels with production slated to begin as early as next year and 2017. [see where that places them on that same list].

All of a sudden they would be a major player in the Energy sector. No member of OPEC wants that.

To top that off, the Leviathan Gas Field (Mediterranean offshore) has an estimated 650 Billion cubic feet of natural gas (est. 2015). Which places them in the top 10 on that front.

In other words, you would be deluding yourself that other players in the field don't want a piece of that pie. Or in the case of Iran, they don't want Israel having an economic influx of their own from black gold.

These finds are extremely destabilizing to the region - don't kid yourself otherwise.

[hater]

already posted the debunking of that rhetoric. as another poster said. Just same old "repeat a lie until its accepted as truth" tactic the Israel and West are using. The rest of the world already woke up so you are beating a dead horse Nobody listens to old man Bibby's bull . Not even Obama

Sure another player in the oil market so what? just having the oil underground does not guarantee you anything. Look at Venezuela, look at Iran and Russia, combined they have more oil than any other 2 countries yet if Saudi keeps keeping prices down, they will still struggle.

in other words the "potential" of oil in Israel doesn't change anything. I doubt Iran is even wasting even 5 seconds thinking on the oil in Israel issue

[ChumpDumper]

Does Phenomanul know that Ahmadinejad isn't the President of Iran anymore?

[Phenomanul]

Who is the naïve one here? Two energy factors have consistently driven foreign policy over the last 7 decades or so:

1). Nuclear capability
2). Crude Oil

These oil/gas finds are significant, despite your stubbornness to accept that fact.

[Phenomanul]

Yes I do CD... Current Iranian diplomacy hasn't changed though. My brother is married to an Iranian doctor, there are several reasons why she left Iran - political instability not the least among them.

[ChumpDumper]

Yes I do CD... Current Iranian diplomacy hasn't changed though. My brother is married to an Iranian doctor, there are several reasons why she left Iran - political instability not the least among them.

The economy was too.

You'd think the Iranians wouldn't care about sanctions because they are so eager to martyr themselves in bloody jihad.

[ChumpDumper]

And Israel's big oil find is actually in Syria.

lol

[Phenomanul]

The Golan Heights have been disputed for many decades.

[ChumpDumper]

The Golan Heights have been disputed for many decades.

Which is why it's hardly a game changer.

[hater]

Yes I do CD... Current Iranian diplomacy hasn't changed though.

neither has Israel's diplomacy. 20 years and still with the same bull "Iran will get a nuke in a couple years"

My brother is married to an Iranian doctor, there are several reasons why she left Iran - political instability not the least among them.

we all know somebody that left their home country for another state and abhors their homeland's policies.

[Phenomanul]

I simply provided sufficient background motive/context to answer your disingenuously innocent question - one that suggested that Iran had no motive whatsoever to use nuclear weapons in the first place. A state regime that can believe that something as atrocious as the holocaust never occurred, doesn't have the right mindset to produce much less manage a nuclear weapon/arsenal...

[ChumpDumper]

I simply provided sufficient background motive/context to answer your disingenuously innocent question - one that suggested that Iran had no motive whatsoever to use nuclear weapons in the first place. A state regime that can believe that something as atrocious as the holocaust never occurred, doesn't have the right mindset to produce much less manage a nuclear weapon/arsenal...

I simply provided sufficient background to prove that they aren't that hot on martyring themselves as a nation. This holocaust stuff is bull -- it makes no sense as a litmus test whatsoever.

Do you think Iran would drop a nuke on Israel unprovoked?

If so, why?

[Phenomanul]

Oil was found under Jerusalem as well... Also, the offshore field is so expansive that other countries are chomping at the bit to claim it as belonging to them - mind you all the exploration costs have been paid for by Israeli sponsors...

[ChumpDumper]

So in what way would that be a game changer?

They could actually pay for all the arms we give them?

[Phenomanul]

C'mon Chump... Seriously???? I never claimed that the Iranian people all believe this anti-Semitic rhetoric... Those calling the shots at the top have repeatedly displayed their extreme beliefs... They're the ones that have to be prevented from possessing nuclear capability. The populace in general - of any country - doesn't geneously want to go down in martyrdom..

[ChumpDumper]

C'mon Chump... Seriously???? I never claimed that the Iranian people all believe this anti-Semitic rhetoric... Those calling the shots at the top have repeatedly displayed their extreme beliefs.

And so what?

[Phenomanul]

So in what way would that be a game changer?

They could actually pay for all the arms we give them?

Oil --> Money --> Power

[ChumpDumper]

Oil --> Money --> Power

Power to do what?