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    Have you you ever seen Israel murder and gas their own

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    Yep.

    They also got Reagan, almost.
    Its actually easier in a Democratic State.

    Next.

    You are digging an excellent latrine trough for yourself.

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    You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
    What color did the people wear in Iran? It played a role in bringing down the dinner jacket.

    I mean, since you care so much...

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    I'm out.

    Where do you live Spits?

    I will check back in the morning.

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    You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
    What color did the people wear in Iran? It played a role in bringing down the dinner jacket.

    I mean, since you care so much...
    And look what the Green Revolution gave us...

    The ouster of the Holocaust denier.

    The election of an Western-educated president and an American-educated Foreign Minister who agreed to an historic arms-control agreement.

    Sure, it wasn't pretty. I'd love to see Ahmadinejad in prison just as much as I'd like to see Cheney in prison, they're pretty much the same guy.

    The Ayatollahs are disgusting people, no different than the Zionists in power in "Israel", but one society has progressed over the past 5 years while the other has regressed.

    One society is living up to international law and obligations while the other is in complete and utter defiance, stealing land and murdering hundreds of children per year under their 50 year military occupation.

    But keep propping up the Zionist terror state as if they are morally superior.

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    I'm out.

    Where do you live Spits?

    I will check back in the morning.
    DC

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    Some bedtime reading material, straight from the terror army soldier's mouth: http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il...tabase/?tzuk=1

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    And look what the Green Revolution gave us...

    The ouster of the Holocaust denier.

    The election of an Western-educated president and an American-educated Foreign Minister who agreed to an historic arms-control agreement.

    Sure, it wasn't pretty. I'd love to see Ahmadinejad in prison just as much as I'd like to see Cheney in prison, they're pretty much the same guy.

    The Ayatollahs are disgusting people, no different than the Zionists in power in "Israel", but one society has progressed over the past 5 years while the other has regressed.

    One society is living up to international law and obligations while the other is in complete and utter defiance, stealing land and murdering hundreds of children per year under their 50 year military occupation.

    But keep propping up the Zionist terror state as if they are morally superior.
    They are not morally superior. You claim that I guess. They have a form of government that allows self criticism. And they are open to scrutiny so we will get a clearer picture of groups like the Republican Guard who use strife to maintain a power base.

    Go to the papers in Israel and look what was said about BiBi attempting to use European Islamaphobia in that totally bonzo statement. You think this criticism existed for Arafat "where did the money go" or Kahmenei...
    The hero of the Palestinians won a Nobel Peace prize while stealing his people's money and clearly NEVER wanted a peace agreement as war brought him money. We know this NOW.

    And get real with the false care about the Palestinian situation. The countries involved in keeping Israel an enemy don't give a about the Palestinians. They use them as fodder.

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    IMO this is what Israel under BN wants:

    A totally Jewish State without any Arab political parties. Settlements allow them to remove non Jews. Then after this is accomplished they want peace. They are fine with a Palestinian State as long as Israel is a Jewish state that will never have significant political input from non Jews now living there.

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    And you are missing so many valid points,and now relying on emoticons, that I'm starting to get the felling you are not serious or just ignorant or both.
    That right there describes quite a few people who post around here.

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    I asked you a direct question.

    Do you want to go to war to stop its getting a nuclear weapon if it comes to that?
    The answer is absolutely-freaking NO...! How else would you want me to answer that…?

    That said, you just love introducing speculative questions into the fray.

    Our ideological standoff on this matter is simple:

    I don't think it wise for the U.S. to facilitate Iran's nuclear ambitions.

    You don't care if Iran becomes nuclear capable. You somewhat prefer that they don't but don't see it wrong that the U.S. is facilitating their end goal.
    Everything else you introduced (e.g. motives, dynamics from previous U.S./Iran relations [under different leadership mind you], IS IMMATERIAL).

    You clearly don't buy the notion that Iran's foreign policy IS intertwined with their religious fanaticism and because of the dynamics of that mixture – it can influence their military arm.

    I mean, you can't even acknowledge the foolishness of a structure that allows for Iran’s religious leaders to have direct influence on their military action. Any sane person would acknowledge that this dynamic is both unpredictable and unwise, but you at three distinct opportunities have failed to concede one iota of an inch on the matter.

    The hypocrisy is unfreakingbelievable... You all can't even stomach when our own political leaders happen to have religious views of their own (as mere adherents). And yet here you are, unwilling to acknowledge that the structure that allows Iran's clergy, its appointed religious leaders, to double as their defacto political leaders is a bad mix. Look at how harshly the left mocked Ben Carson simply for affirming that he was a Christian.

    You don't think they have any grievances against the US?
    It’s immaterial. That was never my primary point.

    Jesus, you really don't know anything unless I tell you to google it.
    Oh… please… get over yourself.

    See… here you had a 3rd opportunity to affirm that the structure that allows Iran’s clergy to influence their military branch is not a good thing. But yet again you glossed over it for what? To try and take another jab at me… More redirecting and reductio ad ridiculum on your part.

    Anyway, thanks for proving my point.
    No… seems like you missed the point altogether. Whether or not Iran wants to target the U.S. with nukes was never the crux of ANY of my arguments. Any indication that they would deploy against Israel, however, would raise the criticality of the risk in allowing Iran to possess nuclear armament. We all live in the same world and would have to deal with the environmental ramifications and the political/economic aftermath of a confrontation in which Iran and Israel both launch nukes at each other.

    You need to google what a red herring is now.
    If you insist... per wiki:

    A red herring is something that misleads or distracts from a relevant or important issue.

    …the red herring is a seemingly plausible, though ultimately irrelevant, diversionary tactic.


    A scenario in which the nutty members of Woodsboro Baptist church were allowed to have any sort of influence on our nation’s military is a hypothetical analogy that doubles as a red herring.

    Ultimately, an irrelevant diversionary tactic.

    They say it's an accident. What can you investigate? What did the Iranians get to investigate?
    Keep building your strawman.

    The U.S. acknowledged incompetence and wrong-doing and RES UTED the family members of those involved. In your hypothetical parallel I doubt Iran would even:
    1) Offer an apology
    2) Pay the families of the victims.

    I’ll tell you what I do remember though. The days following September 11th, 2001, one of the darkest days our nation has ever seen I vividly recall reactionary videos of Saudi Arabian, Palestinean, Syrian, Egyptian, Jordanian, Iraqi and IRANIAN civilians CELEBRATING our nation’s tragedy – literal ‘dancing on the streets’ level of joy.

    I don’t recall any U.S. civilians celebrating the tragedy of Flight 655 in that manner. That’s not who we are.

    Not really, they fight each other much more than Israel.
    Doesn’t negate the fact that they hate Israel. Bad logic on your part.

    And not all Muslims hate Israel. You flaunt your ignorance with every post.
    The problem with absolute words. MOST muslims hate Israel. The grand majority even.

    Well said. I noticed Phenomanul ignored this post completely.

    I would too if I were him/her.
    I didn’t ignore it. I simply don’t have time to respond to everyone’s comments.

    Btw Cristina Fernandez just said Putin is now the global leader in fighting terrorism.

    Wonder what phenomauled thinks about that
    Huge logical error on your part. I never once claimed Cristina Fernandez held any position of moral high-ground over the U.S. I simply said she revealed something the Obama administration had approached her government with.
    Last edited by Phenomanul; 10-22-2015 at 06:05 PM.

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    Your post is amazingly full of and straw at the same time.

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    I didn’t ignore it. I simply don’t have time to respond to everyone’s comments.
    as you finish posting a wall of text without making a single new point.
    we get it, you don't agree with the administration's nonproliferation strategy...along with most republicans, Bibi and Saudi Arabia. Great.

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    on a side note, Kirchner's would-be successor just lost:

    http://www.wsj.com/article_email/arg...NzI3MzEyNDM2Wj

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