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They could have won 50 games if Tyreke/Holiday weren't limping; whether 50 wins crack the top 5 is another story.
That's biased as :
2011: Gay missed the entire postseason w/ a shoulder injury & they still pushed OKC to 7 games
2012: Z-Bo tore his MCL & Darrell Arthur tore his ACL & they still pushed the Clipper to 7 games
2013: Z-Bo was playing w/ a ed up ankle against the Clippers
2014: Pondexter missed the entire postseason w/ injury & Gasol was playing w/ a sprained MCL. Z-Bo also got suspended for Gm 7.
2015: Conley fractured his orbital & Tony Allen pulled his hamstring
They have had a HEALTHY OKC/Warriors team on their knees despite not having all their horses.
Last edited by Kawhitstorm; 10-24-2015 at 06:58 AM.
They could have won 50 games if Tyreke/Holiday weren't limping; whether 50 wins crack the top 5 is another story.
This definitely is a disappointment:
You say 'Gay missed the entire postseason' as if that's not the reason why they advanced. They lost in the first round with a healthy Gay the next year and then traded him.
Obviously, the Z-Bo injury is big, the Arthur one isn't. And you're putting too much emphasis on pushing a team to seven games. Dallas pushed the Spurs to seven in 2014, but they weren't the SA's league at all.2012: Z-Bo tore his MCL & Darrell Arthur tore his ACL & they still pushed the Clipper to 7 games
Messed up ankle for a ground-bound Z-Bo is not in the same zip code as torn meniscus for a high-flyer like Blake. Nothing to say about Westbrook obviously.2013: Z-Bo was playing w/ a ed up ankle against the Clippers
2014: Pondexter missed the entire postseason w/ injury & Gasol was playing w/ a sprained MCL. Z-Bo also got suspended for Gm 7.Trying to act like Pondexter was a big loss. They traded him essentially for nothing a few months later. Gasol play and played well in that game. It was a relative boo-boo compared his opponents. He played on the national team just fine that summer.
Yeah, and they lost.2015: Conley fractured his orbital & Tony Allen pulled his hamstring
Lol, they got shrugged off when it mattered, especially by the Warriors. Again, you're putting too much stock into playing teams tough. When you keep losing, it doesn't make a difference.They have had a HEALTHY OKC/Warriors team on their knees despite not having all their horses.
I know in your mind that's profound, but it's actually pretty silly. The Spurs and Thunder have been the class of the conference during that span. At least one has been in the conference finals 4/5 years, and 3/5, they've represented their conference in the Finals. Both OKC and SAS have beaten the other two of that trio, so they literally did everything they could to match Memphis' mark. That the Grizzlies' "cir stance" for beating those team has been the best or second-best player from those squads suffering a major injury complete calls into question the ability for us to glean anything useful from that claim. These weren't role-players (like Pon and Arthur) or cancers (like Gay) missing games or being at like 25 percent; it was legitimate All-NBA players. Memphis' losses just don't compare.They are also the only team to defeat OKC/Clippers/Spurs under any cir stance since 2011.
So? There are always going to be in-game reasons why teams lose, no matter what outside cir stances handicapped them. If LMA and Kawhi burst into flames before a Spurs' series loss to Memphis, SA would still lose due to an X's and O's reason. Doesn't mean that those two guys not being there didn't matter.In 2011, it's common knowledge that Tony got locked up by Conley, Tim got neutralized by Gasol, Jefferson sucked balls, G.Hill was underwhelming, Pop ed up playing Bonner over Splitter & there was no slowing down Z-Bo w/ McDyess. The Spurs inability to make an outside shot was the nail in the coffin.
It's amazing how quickly the national media turned on the Spurs, from proclaiming them "indisputable favorites" in July to behind the Cavaliers, Warriors, and even Rockets / Clippers / OKC in October.
I don't get the OKC love, tbh. Wayyyy...too many question marks on that team to take them seriously.
The Grizzlies are stuck in the good but not great area. High floor, low ceiling team. They aren't winning unless they add a major piece to their current core tbh.
Missed this game. Manu is a ing magician tbh.This definitely is a disappointment:
2011: Are you telling me Gay couldn't have come off the bench & helped them against OKC when Sam Young was complete doo-doo? That's basically what D-Lee did for the Warriors in Gm 3 against the Cavs when Draymond was looking discombobulated for the first 2 games.You say 'Gay missed the entire postseason' as if that's not the reason why they advanced. They lost in the first round with a healthy Gay the next year and then traded him.
Obviously, the Z-Bo injury is big, the Arthur one isn't. And you're putting too much emphasis on pushing a team to seven games. Dallas pushed the Spurs to seven in 2014, but they weren't the SA's league at all.
Messed up ankle for a ground-bound Z-Bo is not in the same zip code as torn meniscus for a high-flyer like Blake. Nothing to say about Westbrook obviously.
Yeah, and they lost.
Lol, they got shrugged off when it mattered, especially by the Warriors. Again, you're putting too much stock into playing teams tough. When you keep losing, it doesn't make a difference.
I know in your mind that's profound, but it's actually pretty silly. The Spurs and Thunder have been the class of the conference during that span. At least one has been in the conference finals 4/5 years, and 3/5, they've represented their conference in the Finals. Both OKC and SAS have beaten the other two of that trio, so they literally did everything they could to match Memphis' mark. That the Grizzlies' "cir stance" for beating those team has been the best or second-best player from those squads suffering a major injury complete calls into question the ability for us to glean anything useful from that claim. These weren't role-players (like Pon and Arthur) or cancers (like Gay) missing games or being at like 25 percent; it was legitimate All-NBA players. Memphis' losses just don't compare.
So? There are always going to be in-game reasons why teams lose, no matter what outside cir stances handicapped them. If LMA and Kawhi burst into flames before a Spurs' series loss to Memphis, SA would still lose due to an X's and O's reason. Doesn't mean that those two guys not being there didn't matter.
2012: Rudy played just fine against the Clippers, it was Mayo that wet the bed. Arthur was a very valuable backup that killed the Spurs in 2011 & would have be useful against Blake/DeAndre but the guy never recovered after his knee injury. LoL @ trying to compare the 2012 Grizz/Clips to 2014 Spurs/Mavs when the Mavs got annihilated in Gm 7 when the Spurs finally played a complete game.
2013: WTF...Blake NEVER tore his meniscus that was Westbrook but nice story bro. Blake had a HIGH ankle sprain while Z-Bo had a grade 2 ankle sprain. The difference was that Z-Bo manned up & played through it w/o ing. Z-Bo looked terrible against the Spurs in part b/c of this reason even then it took 2 overtime games & Tony playing like an MVP to defeat them despite Tayshaun Prince being absolutely useless.
2014: They had OKC on the brink of elimination before Reggie Jackson rescued the ship in Gm 4. They were also leading at halftime in Gm 7 while playing w/o Z-Bo but Gasol run out of gas after dominating the 1st half. LoL @ Gasol's knee injury not being a big deal when he had a steep drop off defensively following his DPOY campaign b/c he couldn't move laterally. Dude wasn't a 100% when they lost to France either. Pondexter would have helped them coming off the bench as he's one of the few who can make 3s & score coming of their bench (he was their LEADING scorer in 2013 against the Spurs & would have played over wack ass Prince in 2014 vs OKC).
2015: Conley couldn't go at Curry who was able to rest on defense & Tony Allen wasn't effective enough on defense after he aggravate his hamstring to be a rotation player.
The issue w/ the Grizzles is that they don't have an individual superstar that can steal games & thus they have to play a complete game to win. You actually see them lose games even when they outplay their opponents because they are at times trading 2s for 3s. They are like a baseball team who wins game w/ small ball & pitching.
Say what you like about 2011 but Z-Bo went beast mode & won the series otherwise you are acting like OKC fans ing about the Ibaka injury in 2014. Tony being neutralized by baby Conley, Jefferson coming up small & being outplayed by Sam Young, McDyess not being able to handle Z-Bo, G.Hill being underwhelming, Spurs not being able to make an outside shot & Pop making dumb coaching decisions isn't the Grizzlies fault. The Spurs lost that series mainly b/c they got smashed inside & there was nothing a healthy Manu was going to do about it.
Last edited by Kawhitstorm; 10-24-2015 at 04:31 PM.
Come off the bench? Gay was a max player and their first option. He would have chucked them out of the series. Again, they traded him and made their way to the WCF the next year. I know it's because they managed to find two injured teams, but still, they were better without him.
Again, you're comparing losing a "useful player" (especially one that's a journeyman now) to losing an All-NBA talent. It's just not the same. And playing tough against a team that got swept in the next round is hardly a feat.2012: Rudy played just fine against the Clippers, it was Mayo that wet the bed. Arthur was a very valuable backup that killed the Spurs in 2011 & would have be useful against Blake/DeAndre. LoL @ trying to compare the 2012 Grizz/Clips to 2014 Spurs/Mavs when the Mavs got annihilated in Gm 7 when the Spurs finally played a complete game.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2012/7/1...-olympics-20122013: WTF...Blake NEVER tore his meniscus that was Westbrook but nice story bro. Blake had a HIGH ankle sprain while Z-Bo had a grade 2 ankle sprain. The difference was that Z-Bo manned up & played through it w/o ing. Z-Bo looked terrible against the Spurs in part b/c of this reason even then it took 2 overtime games & Tony playing like an MVP to defeat them despite Tayshaun Prince being absolutely useless.
It was the previous year that he tore his meniscus. My bad on thinking it was his injury against the Grizz, but it happen. Anyway, yeah, he was hobbled. Lol at you thinking a high ankle sprain is somehow a minor injury. Most guys miss time with it. That it severely hindered Blake's mobility and most of Blake's impact came from his mobility just added to how big of a deal it was. Again, Z-bo is not athletic, so the fact that his knee was bad didn't really hinder his game.
An lol a lot at thinking the Grizz played the Spurs tough. They got swept, and no sweep is ever close. Memphis fans can feel better about themselves that they could at least watch all of two of those games, but there was no question that the Spurs were the dominant team. And again, having useless players like Tayshaun and Allen on offense is exactly why Memphis sucks, in addition to them playing an antiquated style and have a pretty low talent level compared to the actual contenders.
Having the lead at half-time. It just gets better. Heat had a huge lead on the Spurs in Game Five of the 2014 Finals. I guess we're supposed to give them credit for that even though the Spurs proceeded to -slap Miami en route to another blowout? Don't get me wrong, Durant and Westbrook pulled some shots out of their asses in a few games in that series. But you can't take credit for consistently losing close games. It just means you're anti-clutch.2014: They had OKC on the brink of elimination before Reggie Jackson rescued the ship in Gm 4. They were also leading at halftime in Gm 7 while playing w/o Z-Bo but Gasol run out of gas after dominating the 1st half. LoL @ Gasol's knee injury not being a big deal when he had a steep drop off defensively following his DPOY campaign b/c he couldn't move laterally. Dude wasn't a 100% when they lost to France either.
Even elevating Conley (of whom I'm actually a big fan) and Allen to equal worth as the All-NBAers that other teams lost, the WCSF wasn't close. The Grizz were up 2-1 and proceeded to get blasted for three straight games. Having an early lead and losing it doesn't really deserve credit. That's why the playoffs have multiple games -- to weed out try-hard teams and let the superior teams advance.2015: Conley couldn't go at Curry who was able to rest on defense & Tony Allen wasn't effective enough on defense after he aggravate his hamstring to be a rotation player.
Well that and that they're just not very good for reasons I've already listed. They're relying on an aging big to carry them using a globally inefficient form of offense. They have a couple of very good players, but no one transcendental. They have too many guys who can be game-planned out of a series. They rely on journeymen having career games to stay afloat. Then they don't even keep those players. There are weaker teams in the West (like Portland last year) that they can dominate. But they really don't have the means to win against an upper-tier West team on an even playing field. They give a good go and then get shrugged off. Maybe they could beat Houston if Allen can play Harden aggressively, as that team is likely to break down if pressured without the benefit of the whistle. But that's pretty much it.The issue w/ the Grizzles is that they don't have an individual superstar that can steal games & thus they have to play a complete game to win. You actually see them lose games even when they outplay their opponents because they are at times trading 2s for 3s.
This is my take since the Lma west deals.
The spurs will disappoint. They can only please the media with 82-0.
The biggest coaching season for pop, how will spurs handle the attention...
Spurs will only go as far as Danny green takes them. In the playoffs he will be a bigger factor than kl. Just like last year, when pip does his usual playoff sabotage with rotations green will be out there. He will have to hit a shot, even when kl and Tony will try to hero ball and fail.
First of all that statement should not be said, it's pathetic and not serious to talk this right now with spurs coming of a first round embarrassment and with all the question marks spurs have, and even if not it always better to stay humble and under the radar... Second of all you should not give that troll and an apalisoc alt any feedback at all especially not an +1!
Dead on...
Why is that amazing? That should be "expected." Media can do that because the world is full of melt-downers who crumble over any headline.... It's exactly what makes this message board so much fun.
'Spurs will disappoint if you are stupid enough to bet against them.
I see the spurs delivering some mind numbingly hot basketball, and some absolutely lifeless losses to scrub athletic teams we can't defend. Like last year, but higher highs and hopefully more disciplined near the end of the season. Last year was so dependent on healthy Parker which was a huge disappointment. This year, it's hopefully fixable issues like effort and chemistry, although I could see the spurs consistently losing to certain teams
Pop and his primitive, full of himself mind, with all the length we have it's a negligence not to play zone defense helf the time...
Too bad i was right once again...
not your best take brother ...
No it wasn't. ing Adams stepped up his game and made himself a factor without scoring much. Gotta respect that. Nothing westbrook and durant did was out of the ordinary or surprising. Adams surprised and impressed me with his compe iveness.
Lol, your ty prediction trumped mine. I said OKC was going to be this year's biggest disappointment. At least they earned the right to be swept by Golden State.
this without the refs they are
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