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    Back in July, after the Spurs landed LaMarcus Aldridge, there was a lot of hype surrounding the team. Several pundits proclaimed the Spurs the team to beat, and at one point, Vegas odds even had the Spurs as the overall favorites to win the NBA championship.

    Fast forward several months, and expectations have understandably tempered. Most experts now rank the Warriors and Cavaliers ahead of the Spurs, and understandably so, because these two teams after all made the Finals last season. But the Rockets?!

    It started in August, when Ethan Strauss and Amin Elhassan ranked their top 5 teams in the NBA, and both of them picked Houston against San Antonio. Justifiably, this sentiment was widely ridiculed across SpursTalk, and we all thought that would be the end of it.

    But rather than going away quietly, this idea that the Rockets are better than the Spurs seems to have caught on among the national media. First, Zach Lowe came out with an article proclaiming Houston as the biggest threat to Golden State in the West. Next, Rob Mahoney went out and ranked the Rockets ahead of the Spurs in his Southwest Division preview for Sports Illustrated.

    This is not to say the Rockets won't be a good team next season. They have an additional year of playing experience under their belt, and they just added Ty Lawson to a team that already made the WCF last season. No doubt they will be one of the top contenders in the West.

    But better than the Spurs? People forget, the Spurs were the best team in the NBA last season post-all star break, running roughshod through the NBA and emerging as the most credible threat to the Warriors in the West. And that team just added LaMarcus Aldridge and David West.

    I'm not saying the Rockets won't be good. They definitely will be. But to say they're better than the Spurs? That is just ridiculous.
    I haven't followed up on what the media is saying on the odds bc it doesn't mean anything, but I imagine there are variants of:
    1. chemistry and fit issues will be problem
    2. old guys, injury risk, someone's wheels finally falling off a cliff
    3. Tony Parker's questionable Euroleague play, and poor play, and the Spurs still needing him to stay healthy to handle the bball and set others up. Some points from him and several assists are required per night.
    4. Unproven bench: Kyle Anderson, Boban, who?? Manu/old/minutes restrictions/injury risk, etc. Behind him, Simmons? really? Rasual Butler? Ok but he's no Manu.

    Etc. If you dissect the Spurs you would think they are fool's gold. As always with the spurs, the sum of the whole is better than all individual parts. Because they have their chemistry issues, and Pop was in full experiment mode in preseason, they didn't look formidable. But when this team gets it going they will be awesome quite frankly.

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    What a joke thread! Does op is Harlem alt?

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    It's all transition D these days.

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    It's just so ing hard to take any team with Dwight Howard on it seriously.
    I am not a fan of that guy at all.

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    Because people only remember the Western Conference Finals.

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    B/c the Rockets added Lawson & will be getting D-Mo back after reaching the WCF w/ Jason Terry/Josh Smith/Prigioni playing major minutes & Howard playing on one leg. If Howard is relatively healthy then they will be a complete team esp. w/ Capela being a viable backup for Howard.

    If Tony wasn't on a steep decline then you could argue otherwise.

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    Dwight Howard is the GOAT!!

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    Because Kawhi got slap by Matt Barnes...

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    We all know how Clyde feels about this topic.

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    In before Tony vs Kawhi part 13,457.

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    It's just so ing hard to take any team with Dwight Howard on it seriously.
    This.. dwight is the biggest baby alive.

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    It's really not that ridiculous of a take It could go either way. Rockets won 56 games last year with Dwight missing half the season, and then made the WCF without Beverley/Motiejunas + Dwight on a minutes restriction. Their biggest weakness was having no secondary playmaker when Harden went to the bench (ORTG with Harden = 110.6, ORTG without Harden = 96.6) - they solved that problem by going out and getting Ty Lawson for practically nothing.

    You can do the same for the Spurs. We won 55 games with Kawhi missing 20 games, and Splitter/Mills missing 30 games. We added Aldridge and West. That being said, people here scoff at the "Spurs are old" argument, but it is a valid concern with this team whether you want to admit it or not. I've learned not to doubt Duncan, but it's perfectly reasonable if someone wants to predict a decline from him or question whether he'll hold up for the entire season + playoffs. Same goes for Manu. Then there's the question of how well Aldridge will fit, or how long it'll take for him to really get comfortable.

    I'm predicting the Spurs to be better than the Rockets. I'd definitely take us in a playoff series over them assuming both teams are healthy. But I can see the arguments for the other side and I'm not going to act like it's some absurd opinion to think Houston will finish ahead of us.
    No, it's not. What is, is pretending the Spurs are clearly behind them or anyone, which is what the consensus has become.

    Never have I seen a team drop so much in the eyes of the public without playing a game. The Spurs went from something like co-favorites to win the championship to either fifth or sixth. Suddenly, they're filled with vulnerabilities, while the Warriors are the greatest team ever and the Thunder and Rockets aren't far behind.

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    No, it's not. What is, is pretending the Spurs are clearly behind them or anyone, which is what the consensus has become.

    Never have I seen a team drop so much in the eyes of the public without playing a game. The Spurs went from something like co-favorites to win the championship to either fifth or sixth. Suddenly, they're filled with vulnerabilities, while the Warriors are the greatest team ever and the Thunder and Rockets aren't far behind.
    So the spurs went from co-favorites to win a championship "without playing a game" to fifth or sixth "without playing a game". Interesting.

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    Rockets are . Dwight is a pussy and can't even be considers a full time Center.

    LOLckets are a ing joke. them and their fans
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    Lots of good takes here minus pendejo up there^


    sports writers - they don't know . That's why the games are played.

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    Rockets are . Dwight is a pussy and can't even be considers a full time Center.

    LOLckets are a ing joke. them and their fans
    Exactly, Rockets are a first round exit to the clippers if we take care of business versus the pelicans. Good grief, Rockets have no shot at the le, they will be lucky to make the second round in this WC.

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    Lots of good takes here minus pendejo up there^


    sports writers - they don't know . That's why the games are played.
    lol, yalls season was a total fluke last year, it depended on so many things going wrong for so many teams, yall have zero ing shot at the WCF this year

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    ESPN's "expert" picks: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13...ence-champions

    Out of 25 picks:

    Warriors - 9
    Thunder - 7
    Spurs - 5
    Rockets - 2
    Clippers - 2

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    I am not a fan of that guy at all.
    I think he's great.

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    Elbamba was talking about the Rockets games which were at the end of the season, so we're strictly talking about end of season games here. He stated that those two games got us the Clippers and that is not entirely correct. By winning those two games it enabled the Spurs with the chance to finish 2nd if they were to beat NO in the last game of the season. Sure, those other games you mentioned cost the Spurs, but by winning those two Rockets games, the Spurs still had a chance to finish second. We all know those other games earlier in the season cost us, but the point is that they still had a chance to write all those wrongs with the last game of the season and unfortunately they didn't get it done. It never should have come down to that though. They threw away too many games.
    They threw away way too many games IMO, the Portland game in which they had won a few times on end was one of them but they lost in triple OT. That Memphis loss as well they let slip away. Those were heart breaking losses looking back. It's all over now but you are right they threw away way too many games. The last game of the season should have been a rest all and wait for the playoffs to start.Thats your opinion man.
    ESPN's "expert" picks: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13...ence-champions

    Out of 25 picks:

    Warriors - 9
    Thunder - 7
    Spurs - 5
    Rockets - 2
    Clippers - 2
    They always seem very high on the Thunder every year.

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    Regarding last season: Are some guys here really thinking that the Spurs are the only team who lost a couple of close games or did not win every game against the bottom clubs of the league? It is what it is, and it happens to pretty much every team over the course of a season.

    As for the Rockets, I definitely could imagine them finishing above the Spurs in the RS. Health is going to be a factor obviously, especially with Howard, judging his last couple of years, but well, the Spurs have some potential health issues of their own.

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    Thats your opinion man.

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    Mine was a joke too from the movie big lebowski. I should have posted the vid or caption...

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    lol, yalls season was a total fluke last year, it depended on so many things going wrong for so many teams, yall have zero ing shot at the WCF this year
    Had we had DMO, pat bev and a fully healthy Dwight- we would have gone all the way tbh.



    *yes they the bed something awful tonite but still sans D12 and DMO and chemistry issues with new player.

    McHale's rotations still suck.
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    Had we had DMO, pat bev and a fully healthy Dwight- we would have gone all the way tbh.



    *yes they the bed something awful tonite but still sans D12 and DMO and chemistry issues with new player.

    McHale's rotations still suck.
    I was talking about the team you had last year which included your injuries, yall way overachieved. This year, with them back, I can see yall pushing a second round matchup to 6 or 7 games before losing. You are going nowhere with McFail though.

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    Nuggets 105 -- Rockets 85.

    Tonight (in Houston).

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