Steph Curry or Russell Westbrook? Who's better?

Curry>>>Steve Francis 2.0

Curry, but peeps shouldn't dog on Westbrook... he's definitely up there in the top 3 PG convo right now...

Curry easily imo. Both right now and long term. Especially long term. . .Westbrook's game will not last due to being so dependent on his athleticism while I think Curry's will since it's more dependent on intelligence, skill, and decision making.

Originally Posted by 313

That was my initial reaction but I think he means even a bad shot, is a good shot for curry. He can get his shot up from anywhere.

I agree with that. Was just saying I've seen Curry take shots where he definitely would have been better off passing or dribbling out. Steph Curry is definitely better if you want a ring. Westbrook is definitely exciting though.

Westbrook is one of the 3 most athletic players in the history of the NBA, maybe sports, but Curry is also a rare type of player, too..I've never seen any player in league history that commands so much attention without touching the ball, due to his shooting, yet also being one of the best ball-handlers you'll ever see..

Building an elite offense around a dominant player that doesn't need the ball in his hands and needs to be doubled/trapped from the halfcourt line(when he does have the ball) is a generational luxury, obviously..

westchimp could probably beat him in a matchup. They are very different and obviously i'd rather have curry, but it's close.

Originally Posted by Cry Havoc

Curry.

Because I don't have to worry about Curry having a mental breakdown in the 4th quarter of a 20 point blowout.

Is this even a serious debate? Curry doesn't take a bad shot. Westbrook doesn't KNOW a bad shot.

What?! not true, even LeBron takes the occasional bad shot heat check. Curry does take bad shots but he is such a good shooter people overlook that. I love my Bruin nicca Russ ...

But the correct answer is Curry. But it's closer than some of yall make it out to be ...
Curry has improved a slight bit on defense and Russ has become a better passer and shooter than he was just two years ago ...but Curry's ball handling and finishing

Originally Posted by Shane27

I agree with that. Was just saying I've seen Curry take shots where he definitely would have been better off passing or dribbling out. Steph Curry is definitely better if you want a ring. Westbrook is definitely exciting though.

This.

Originally Posted by Killakobe81

What?! not true, even LeBron takes the occasional bad shot heat check. Curry does take bad shots but he is such a good shooter people overlook that. I love my Bruin nicca Russ ...

But the correct answer is Curry. But it's closer than some of yall make it out to be ...
Curry has improved a slight bit on defense and Russ has become a better passer and shooter than he was just two years ago ...but Curry's ball handling and finishing

That's true. I didn't mean to suggest that Curry NEVER takes a bad shot, so I misspoke there, but I don't see Curry bombing away frustration 3s on the regular, I guess that is my point. You honestly never know what kind of temperament Russ is going to have going into the game, and that's a problem. For anyone who says it isn't, well, just wait until he throws his first tantrum of the season at a teammate.

Originally Posted by Cry Havoc

Curry.

Because I don't have to worry about Curry having a mental breakdown in the 4th quarter of a 20 point blowout.

Is this even a serious debate? Curry doesn't take a bad shot. Westbrook doesn't KNOW a bad shot.

Exactly. Plus when Curry spots up for a three, the opposing coach feels terrified...when Westbrook spots up for a three, the opposing coach thinks, "ah, good!"

Originally Posted by Raven

westchimp could probably beat him in a matchup. They are very different and obviously i'd rather have curry, but it's close.

Its not even close. Westbrook is great one on one player and has super athletic abilities which very few players posses but he could never be the number 1 guy on a championship team. Last year is the best indication of that when he was putting up high scoring games on crappy FG percentages and his team was still losing. Without Durant Westbrook is basically a hybrid mix of Baron Davis and Francis. Just like those guys as a number 1 option his ceiling is leading a team to the playoffs as a low seed. Pair him with Durant and then he becomes lethal. I feel on the other hand Steph elevates the games of his teammates to another level.

Originally Posted by daslicer

Its not even close. Westbrook is great one on one player and has super athletic abilities which very few players posses but he could never be the number 1 guy on a championship team. Last year is the best indication of that when he was putting up high scoring games on crappy FG percentages and his team was still losing. Without Durant Westbrook is basically a hybrid mix of Baron Davis and Francis. Just like those guys as a number 1 option his ceiling is leading a team to the playoffs as a low seed. Pair him with Durant and then he becomes lethal. I feel on the other hand Steph elevates the games of his teammates to another level.

hm. might also be because when durant went down they relied on anthony morrow, dion waiters, enes kanter and kyle singler, none of which seems much of a defender to me.

Originally Posted by Raven

hm. might also be because when durant went down they relied on anthony morrow, dion waiters, enes kanter and kyle singler, none of which seems much of a defender to me.

How does having bad defenders on your team have to do with shooting a terrible FG percentage? Durant is clearly to me the best player on the thunder and it was clear during his MVP season when the thunder had the best record in the league for a period of time when Westbrook was out for a lot of games. Durant still was able to lead his team to a ton of wins despite having guys like Reggie Jackson, and Ibaka as the only other scorers on the team. The funny thing is when Westbrook came back the thunder started losing games and slipped to second. Westbrook is a chucker those type of players only win when they are the number 2 option on the team.

Originally Posted by daslicer

How does having bad defenders on your team have to do with shooting a terrible FG percentage? Durant is clearly to me the best player on the thunder and it was clear during his MVP season when the thunder had the best record in the league for a period of time when Westbrook was out for a lot of games. Durant still was able to lead his team to a ton of wins despite having guys like Reggie Jackson, and Ibaka as the only other scorers on the team. The funny thing is when Westbrook came back the thunder started losing games and slipped to second. Westbrook is a chucker those type of players only win when they are the number 2 option on the team.

i'd say, it's about 70% of the reason if you're trying to win games.

Originally Posted by Raven

i'd say, it's about 70% of the reason if you're trying to win games.

Right and having your number 1 option shooting terrible FG percentages and having poor shot selection doesn't hinder your chances of winning games?

Originally Posted by 313

Any particular reasoning? The only clear advantage I see is Westbrook's rebounding.

Curry can be slowed by an elite Wing defender. Westbrook is physically unstoppable.

In my opinion when Westbrook is fully focused on his game and his jumper is on, it is quite close... Both are literally unguardable, Curry is obviously the better shooter and has tons of range but in penetration Westbrook looks like Lebron... even elite defensive bigs cannot keep up.

Curry is more difficult to handle, he attracts defenders far from basket... if you send help he's gonna kill you with his passing, if you let him one on one he will feast on you. With West, you dare him to shoot and live with the results.

For that and consistency it's Curry the better player imo.

On a side note, the rebounding part of Westbrook game is overrated, he's gonna take some that would be out of reach of the frontcourt but mostly he secures rebounds that would have been taken otherwise.

Originally Posted by urunobili

Curry can be slowed by an elite Wing defender. Westbrook is physically unstoppable.

Yes but Curry will use his elite passing to find solutions, plus he can shoot from half of the court

For West I do agree, like already said when launched you cannot stop him...

I'm probably the biggest Westbrook fan on SpursTalk, but he's much more guard-able than Curry, not sure where that's coming from..

Curry's appearance helps him attract media and casual fans, but it actually hurts him from a perception standpoint..he's not physically dominant or athletic, which gives the impression that he can be stopped or limited..there was no indication, at all, last year, that he can be shut down..even in the Cavs series, where he didn't dominate, they still had to send all their resources at him to contain him, which clearly opened things up for Iguodala, who rarely had to create anything outside of the 3-point line..

Curry has elite role players around him(Green, Thompson), along with 2nd-tier role players(Bogut, Iggy), but the Warriors don't have anybody else that warrants attention as a creator..Thompson can post up and score in a box off the dribble, but he's a poor creator..Iguodala and Green can create off the pass, but they don't draw primary attention from a defense..

Originally Posted by urunobili

Curry can be slowed by an elite Wing defender. Westbrook is physically unstoppable.

Curry was the best player on a team that won 67 games and the NBA championship... how & when was he slowed down?

Westbrook is mentally stoppable... you just keep letting him shoot, and you especially give him the 3 pt shot, which he continues to shoot at a terrible percentage, just as he has his entire career, and just as he did in the finals against Miami, where he deservedly acquired the rep as a very talented player with very questionable shot selection...

In today's NBA where softness in the paint is the norm, and handchecking is illegal, both are tough to guard, but I will have to go with Curry. Dead eye shooters who can dribble and make quick decisions like that help the team stretch out the defense, and allow his teammates to drive into a paint that are guarded by "elite" defenders such as Ibaka, Drummond and Steve Adams, whereas Westbrook's way of playing simply sucks in the defense, which wasn't much different from having an elite big.

Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

I'm probably the biggest Westbrook fan on SpursTalk, but he's much more guard-able than Curry, not sure where that's coming from..

Curry's appearance helps him attract media and casual fans, but it actually hurts him from a perception standpoint..he's not physically dominant or athletic, which gives the impression that he can be stopped or limited..there was no indication, at all, last year, that he can be shut down..even in the Cavs series, where he didn't dominate, they still had to send all their resources at him to contain him, which clearly opened things up for Iguodala, who rarely had to create anything outside of the 3-point line..

Curry has elite role players around him(Green, Thompson), along with 2nd-tier role players(Bogut, Iggy), but the Warriors don't have anybody else that warrants attention as a creator..Thompson can post up and score in a box off the dribble, but he's a poor creator..Iguodala and Green can create off the pass, but they don't draw primary attention from a defense..

You are nt a bigger Russ fan than me ... but I would still take Curry. People forget how good Russ has gotten at creating for his team-mates. he doesnt draw defenders at the 3 point line like Cury but top of the key in he is probably only second to Curry and Lebron at drawing attention from the defense only Harden is also in that class. As PG it's Steph followed closely by Russ.

Don't like Russ but I cannot imagine Delly shutting him down. Russ is his own best defender. He does more to stop himself from seeing a ring than anyone else in the league. He's got the team to win it all, but he wants to do it while being the alpha dog and as a PG that's not a good idea. He gets his points and will have some big numbers by the time he retires, but it won't be ring count.

Curry, on the other hand, isn't good enough attacking the rim to be a serious threat. He knows that though, so is more likely to give up the rock or get a better look. Russ is a good shooter, but nothing close to Curry. It comes down to which player knows their own weaknesses, and I think that's Steph.

I'd say curry too, but three years ago curry the chucker was inferior to Westbrook the chucker. Then Mark Jackson was dumped, curry wins mvp.




Let's wait more than one game with Westbrook and a coach who isn't running archaic schemes(Brooks> Jackson obv, but Kerr> Donovan) before we settle this debate. We've never seen Westbrook with a team built like the warriors. It was Durant's team until Westbrook bullied his way to team alpha.

Originally Posted by Mal

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