3rd GOP Debate on CNBC

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Just ing "wow" from CarLie's alternative reality

Cornered Carly Fiorina turns hostile rather than explain why she lied during Wednesday’s GOP debate

CNN’s New Day host Alisyn Camerota, confronted Fiorina on Thursday with evidence a data figure she gave during the debate wasn’t accurate, and Fiorina responded rather nastily, in a video of the exchange posted by Media Matters.

During the debate, Fiorina said, “92% of the jobs lost during Barack Obama’s first term belonged to women.”

Camerota pointed out the fact checkers at the Washington Post traced that figure back to Mitt Romney’s 2012 run. Romney’s campaign used it briefly but dropped it when further data came to light showing it to be inaccurate.

Fiorina didn’t like to be told that, apparently.

“Well, first of all, it’s The Washington Post that said I wasn’t a secretary. So from my point of view, they have no credibility, honestly,” Fiorina retorted.

The Post didn’t say Fiorina was not a secretary, but instead highlighted that her privileged upbringing and elite education were left out of Fiorina’s “rags to riches, only-in-America” campaign story of being a simple secretary who would later become CEO of a tech company.

Fiorina then became testy with Camerota.

“Here’s another statistic, Alisyn, if you don’t like that one, the extreme poverty rate among women is at the highest level ever recorded,” she said. “The number of women living in poverty is at the highest level in 20 years. And every single policy that Hillary Clinton is now proposing, demonstrably, we have evidence that suggests it causes women to be fired, not to be hired. The record’s very clear on this.”

It has been a longstanding historical fact that far predates Obama’s election that women and people of color suffer higher rates of poverty than white men.

Camerota then asked Fiorina if she continues to stand by a claim she made in the first debate that now-discredited videos produced by an anti-abortion group showed a live, squirming fetus being dissected by Planned Parenthood staffers who were harvesting its organs. It has been confirmed that no such footage exists.

Fiorina had said, “As regards [to] Planned Parenthood, anyone who has watched this videotape, I dare Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama to watch these tapes,” she said. “Watch a fully formed fetus on the table, its heart beating, its legs kicking while someone says we have to keep it alive to harvest its brain.”

According to Time Magazine, what does exist is an extremely graphic video, procured by another anti-abortion activist Gregg Cunningham, of a fetus being extracted and placed into a metal bowl. It at times appears to move. There is no sound to the footage and Cunningham refuses to say where it came from. There is no evidence it came from Planned Parenthood. The footage shows no evidence of attempts to harvest its brain.

“Wow, Alisyn, I can’t believe we’re having this conversation, honestly,” Fiorina said. “It’s clear now, it’s very clear that Planned Parenthood is harvesting body parts. So clear that they had to announce that that they no longer take compensation for it. Honestly, this has been hashed and rehashed is there no other issue of economic import to the middle class in the United States of America that you’d like to talk about this morning?”

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/corn...e+Raw+Story%29

Holy , that's one sicko .

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21 Hilarious and WTF Moments From the GOP Debate

1. "If you want someone to grab a beer with, I may not be that guy. But if you want someone to drive you home, I'll get the job done." - Ted Cruz

2. "What is this, a French work week?" - Jeb Bush, attacking Marco Rubio about missing Senate votes

3. "I'll buy you a tequila. Or even some famous Colorado brownies." - Ted Cruz to moderator Carl Quintanilla

4. "Boy, am I good at solving debt problems. No one can solve them like me." - Donald Trump on filing for bankruptcy

5. "Find me a Democrat that is for cutting spending $10, I'll give them a warm kiss." - Jeb Bush

6. "I used it to pay off my student loans — and it's available on paperback if you're interested in buying it." - Marco Rubio on his $1 million book deal

7. "They shouldn't automatically assume that because you believe marriage is between one man and one woman, you're a phobe." - Ben Carson

8. "I don't know. You people write this stuff." - Donald Trump, feigning ignorance about where moderator Becky Quick found his quote calling Marco Rubio "Mark Zuckerberg's personal senator." (It's on
his campaign website.)

9. "The Democrats have the ultimate super PAC — it's called the mainstream media." - Marco Rubio

10. "Drugs is one of the greatest scourges in this country." - John Kasich

11. "I like to be unpredictable." - Donald Trump on carrying a gun, sometimes

12. "I love Donald Trump. He's a good man. I'm wearing a Trump tie tonight." - Mike Huckabee

13. "We have $19 trillion in debt. We have people out of work. We have ISIS and Al Qaeda...And we're talking about fantasy football? Let people play. Who cares?" - Chris Christie

14. "Even in New Jersey, what you're doing is rude." - Chris Christie to moderator John Harwood

15. "It's your grandparents' fault for having too many damn kids." - Rand Paul on paying for Medicare

16. "I'm against anything that's bad for my mother." - Marco Rubio on en lement reform

17. "I want a government so small I can barely see it." - Rand Paul

18. "When millions of Americans rose up against Obamacare, I was proud to lead that fight. When millions of Americans rose up against amnesty, I was proud to lead that fight. When millions of Americans rose up against Planned Parenthood, I was proud to lead that fight." - Ted Cruz

19. "I can assure you I am Hillary Clinton's worst nightmare." - Carly Fiorina

20. "I negotiated it down to two hours so we can get the out of here." - Donald Trump on the debate's length

21. "I do not want to walk my five grandkids through the charred remains of America." - Mike Huckabee

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/21-hilarious-and-wtf-moments-from-the-gop-debate-20151028?utm_source=newsletter&utm_content=daily&u tm_campaign=102915_16&utm_medium=email

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Likelihoood of Receiving the 2016 Republican Nomination


http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2015/10...an-nomination/

[DMX7]

I'll puke if Rubio gets it. I want Trump, but I can handle Kasich or Pataki.

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Wall St Fat Bas dog whistling that Muslim Kenyan n!gg@ causing police deaths

Media Dismantle Gov. Christie's Lies About The Ferguson Effect

Media outlets refuted Gov. Chris Christie's (R-NJ) claims that a lack of support from President Obama and increased scrutiny of police are leading to an increase in crime, explaining that "2015 is actually on pace to have near-record low levels of deadly violence against police."

The so-called "Ferguson Effect," that Christie alluded to, is a right-wing media myth that has used flawed or cherry-picked data to link supposed increases in crime rates to the increased scrutiny of police following episodes of police brutality and has been roundly debunked by experts

http://mediamatters.org/research/201...-the-ba/206505

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Marco Rubio's blatant lie about his personal finances should worry you

A crucial part of Marco Rubio's big debate victory came directly out of his ability to lie with conviction and an innocent look in his eye. Not just about his tax plan, but about his own personal finances. Here it is:

Senator Rubio, you yourself have said that you’ve had issues. You have a lack of bookkeeping skills. You accidentally inter-mingled campaign money with your personal money. You faced foreclosure on a second home that you bought. And just last year, you liquidated a $68,000 retirement fund. That’s something that cost you thousands of dollars in taxes and penalties. In terms of all of that, it raises the question whether you have the maturity and wisdom to lead this $17 trillion economy. What do you say?RUBIO: Well, you just – you just listed a litany of discredited attacks from Democrats and my political opponents, and I’m not gonna waste 60 seconds detailing them all.

Discredited attacks? As Florida Republican Joe Scarborough said Thursday morning:

“Marco just flat-out lied to the American people, there,” he continued. “And I was stunned that the moderators didn’t stop there and go, ‘Wait a second, these are court records. What are you talking about?’”

There are two issues here. One is the substance of the question: Rubio and his "scandal plagued"-doesn't-begin-to-describe-it friend, former Rep. David Rivera, only last summer sold the house which had at one point been in foreclosure. That is a fact, not a "discredited attack." And so on. The financial problems and mismanagement detailed in the question were accurate, so make of his personal finances what you will.But whatever you make of Rubio's personal finances,

pay attention to his lying.

Because he didn't flinch, he didn't equivocate.

He seemed sincere and a little wounded as he dismissed that list of true facts as "a litany of discredited attacks from Democrats and my political opponents" and said he wouldn't address them because it would "waste 60 seconds."

Sincere, wounded ... and lying.

Maybe you don't have a problem with a presidential candidate having faced foreclosure on the second house he co-owned with another scandal-plagued politician. Maybe you don't have a problem with any of Rubio's financial missteps, with the fact that the guy is clearly a terrible manager of his own money. But the lying should be a problem nonetheless.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/1...28Daily+Kos%29

[mingus]

Who cares what he does with his own money?

It's like calling out a cardiologists credibility for being overweight.

[Sportcamper]

If the data on Rubio is accurate I think that if he were a Democrat he would be the front runner…House banking scandal…Over 20 Democrats had a history of bouncing checks due to insufficient funds…Most politicians lie & cheat the system… Only the working middle class plays by the rules…

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Who cares what he does with his own money?

It's like calling out a cardiologists credibility for being overweight.

you ers always miss the point. It's not what he did with his money, it's that he LIED about it, felt he needed to hide what he did with his money. He's pretty stupid for thinking he could get away with it. He sounds pretty stupd on any subject, so he's the ideal Repug Useful Idiot.

[Sportcamper]

Did Bill Clinton ever lie?

[hater]

Who cares what he does with his own money?

It's like calling out a cardiologists credibility for being overweight.

Lmao this is dumb. If he foreclosed a house and cashed out his retirement that is a sign of being a real idiot especially being a US Senator

If true he's a grade a moron

[pgardn]

Lmao this is dumb. If he foreclosed a house and cashed out his retirement that is a sign of being a real idiot especially being a US Senator

If true he's a grade a moron

Then The Donald is in huge trouble. He was given millions and gone bankrupt.

[CosmicCowboy]

Lmao this is dumb. If he foreclosed a house and cashed out his retirement that is a sign of being a real idiot especially being a US Senator

If true he's a grade a moron

Not necessarily. Refinancing a house is a normal tool for personal finance. It's all about return on investment. Same with cashing out a retirement plan if the return on equity exceeds the penalty.

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repeat post, Rubio just another Billionaire Boy Toy

Billionaire Lifts Marco Rubio, Politically and Personally




http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/10/us...ersonally.html

[CosmicCowboy]

you ers always miss the point. It's not what he did with his money, it's that he LIED about it, felt he needed to hide what he did with his money. He's pretty stupid for thinking he could get away with it. He sounds pretty stupd on any subject, so he's the ideal Repug Useful Idiot.

@ Boo calling ANYBODY else STUPID.

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Obamacare Performs Miracle Time Machine Destruction of Past Economy




In Wednesday's debate, CarLIE Fiorina said this: "We have 400,000 small businesses forming every year in this country....The bad news is, we have 470,000 going out of business every year. And why? They cite Obamacare."

it's from a 2014 Brookings study about business dynamism. Annotated chart below. So there we have it. Mystery solved. Small business closures have been rising steadily since Reagan was president, and in 2011 the number hit 470,000. And the reason they closed is because of Obamacare. Who would have guessed?

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/10/obamacare-performs-miracle-time-machine-destruction-past-economy

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CNN host smacks down GOP debate whining: CNBC asked the same questions as Fox News

Smerconish said the criticism was unfair.

“I’ve been going back through the transcript of the first debate, which was a Fox debate, the second debate, which was one of our own CNN debates, and then CNBC,” he told the hosts. “And I would submit to you that if you look at the questions only, there’s frankly not much of a difference between debates one, two or three, including Fox, which is, of course, the great oracle of the RNC.”

That’s not to say battles didn’t emerge between GOP candidates and Fox moderators, such as real estate mogul Donald Trump and Fox News host Megyn Kelly. Kelly had asked Trump why women should vote for him when he has a habit of making derogatory comments about women.

“Style matters,” moderator Chris Cuomo said. “And let’s not forget, Megyn Kelly was asking an appropriate question in terms of what Trump had said in the past. But how it came across wound up creating a combative dynamic.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/cnn-...e+Raw+Story%29

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDUFvLWl-Oc

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Springtime for Grifters

At one point during Wednesday’s Republican debate, Ben Carson was asked about his involvement with Mannatech, a nutritional supplements company that makes outlandish claims about its products and has been forced to pay $7 million to settle a deceptive-practices lawsuit. The audience booed, and Mr. Carson denied being involved with the company. Both reactions tell you a lot about the driving forces behind modern American politics.

As it happens, Mr. Carson lied. He has indeed been deeply involved with Mannatech, and has done a lot to help promote its merchandise. PolitiFact quickly rated his claim false, without qualification.

But the Republican base doesn’t want to hear about it, and the candidate apparently believes, probably correctly, that he can simply brazen it out. These days, in his party,

being an obvious grifter isn’t a liability, and may even be an asset.

And this doesn’t just go for outsider candidates like Mr. Carson and Donald Trump. Insider politicians like Marco Rubio are simply engaged in a different, classier kind of scam — and they are empowered in part by the way the grifters have defined respectability down.

About the grifters: Start with the lowest level, in which marketers use political affinity to sell get-rich-quick schemes, miracle cures, and suchlike. That’s the Carson phenomenon, and it’s just the latest example of a long tradition. As the historian Rick Perlstein do ents, a “strategic alliance of snake-oil vendors and conservative true believers” goes back half a century. Direct-mail marketing using addresses culled from political campaigns has given way to email, but the game remains the same.

At a somewhat higher level are marketing campaigns more or less tied to what purports to be policy analysis. Right-wing warnings of imminent hyperinflation, coupled with demands that we return to the gold standard, were fanned by media figures like Glenn Beck, who used his show to promote Goldline, a firm selling gold coins and bars at, um, inflated prices.

Sure enough, Mr. Beck has been a vocal backer of Ted Cruz, who has made a return to gold one of his signature policy positions.

Oh, and former Congressman Ron Paul, who has spent decades warning of runaway inflation and is undaunted by its failure to materialize, is very much in the business of selling books and videos showing how you, too, can protect yourself from the coming financial disaster.

At a higher level still are operations that are in principle engaging in political activity, but mainly seem to be generating income for their organizers. Last week The Times published an investigative report on some political action committees raising money in the name of anti-establishment conservative causes. The report found that the bulk of the money these PACs raise ends up going to cover administrative costs and consultants’ fees, very little to their ostensible purpose.

For example, only 14 percent of what the Tea Party Leadership Fund spends is “candidate focused.”

You might think that such revelations would be politically devastating. But the targets of such schemes know, just know, that the liberal mainstream media can’t be trusted, that when it reports negative stories about conservative heroes it’s just out to suppress people who are telling the real truth. It’s a closed information loop, and can’t be broken.

And a lot of people live inside that closed loop. Current estimates say that Mr. Carson, Mr. Trump and Mr. Cruz together have the support of around 60 percent of Republican voters.
Furthermore, the success of the grifters has a profound effect on the whole party. As I said, it defines respectability down.

Consider Mr. Rubio, who has emerged as the leading conventional candidate thanks to Jeb Bush’s utter haplessness. There was a time when Mr. Rubio’s insistence that $6 trillion in tax cuts would somehow pay for themselves would have marked him as deeply unserious, especially given the way his party has been harping on the evils of budget deficits. Even George W. Bush, during the 2000 campaign, at least pretended to be engaged in conventional budgeting, handing back part of a projected budget surplus.

But the Republican base doesn’t care what the mainstream media says. Indeed, after Wednesday’s debate the Internet was full of claims that

John Harwood, one of the moderators, lied about Mr. Rubio’s tax plan. (He didn’t.)

And in any case, Mr. Rubio sounds sensible compared to the likes of Mr. Carson and Mr. Trump. So there’s no penalty for his fiscal fantasies.

The point is that we shouldn’t ask whether the G.O.P. will eventually nominate someone in the habit of saying things that are demonstrably untrue, and counting on political loyalists not to notice.

The only question is what kind of scam it will be.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/30/op...ollection&_r=0

[Warlord23]

This article nicely summarizes how the GOP candidates and their base live in a fact-free bubble ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ea1_story.html

I understand why some may want to vote Republican (tax cuts, SS/Medicare reductions, social issues etc). But it's hard not to feel insulted as a voter when politicians make erroneous statements without any fear of their electorate. Basically the candidates are telling the base - we'll go ahead and say whatever the we want, because we know you're uninformed.

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CarLIE Fiorina claims that 'the facts are clear' as she defends her lies

Perhaps the most hilarious among them was one that Mitt Romney used and then had to abandon in 2012, because it was already wrong then. CNN's Alisyn Camerota challenged Fiorina on her claim that "92 percent of the jobs lost during Barack Obama's first term, belonged to women," and Fiorina did not disappoint:

CAMEROTA: But is there newer data available that makes those numbers obsolete that you shouldn't have used the old numbers last night?

FIORINA: No, absolutely not. Wow, this is the same conversation we had after the last debate. Everybody came out and said I was using wrong data. No, I'm not using wrong data. The liberal media doesn't like the data. Perhaps the liberal media doesn't like the facts. The facts are clear.

She went on from there, but you get the idea. That's the world according to Fiorina. In the world according to reality,

While the statistic was technically correct for one month in 2012 — about three years into Obama’s first term — it quickly was dropped by Romney’s campaign because newer economic data made it obsolete.In the debate, Fiorina claimed that this statistic was true for Obama’s first term. But by the time he took the oath of office a second time, his jobs record was a net winner, both for men and women. So this claim is utterly wrong.

Several of Fiorina's other economic claims hold up about as well, although they don't have the added charm of having been debunked so much that they were abandoned by the 2012 Romney campaign.

For instance, Fiorina said that, under Obama, "median-income households have lost nearly $1,300 after inflation." True! But what she failed to mention is that "According to Census Bureau data compiled by the Federal Reserve of St. Louis, median household incomes have trended downward since 1999 after adjusting for inflation."

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I believe 1999 is before Barack Obama became president. It would be better if Obama had turned that trend around, but it's not his creation.

Similarly, talking to CNN's Camerota, Fiorina said that "African-American unemployment remains almost twice as high as white unemployment. Maybe they don't like that stat either. But that stat is true." There's a key word there: remains. Again, we can wish that President Obama had been able to end racial unemployment disparities, but those racial unemployment disparities have been around for a long time.

This is Fiorina's schtick.

She busts out a blizzard of facts, dropping them quickly and assertively, and moving on so that by the time anyone has had the chance to identify just how big her lies and misrepresentations are, she's moved on to the next five things that need to be debunked. But she sure does sound well-informed and confident doing it.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/1...28Daily+Kos%29

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‘Does he know what the definition of a debate is?': CNN host rips Carson for whining about ‘gotcha’ questions

While the GOP pulls out of an already-scheduled February debate hosted by NBC because of anger over so-called ‘gotcha’ questions during a Wednesday session with CNBC moderators, a CNN host wondered whether the candidates understand what the word “debate” means.“

Debates are supposed to be established to help the people get to know the candidates and get to know what’s behind them,” Ben Carson said.

“And what it’s turned into is a ‘gotcha.’ That’s silly.”

CNN host Brooke Baldwin questioned whether Carson and the others know what it means to debate, reading out the dictionary definition of it.

“The definition of a debate, and I quote, ‘a discussion between people in which they express different opinions about something,’ or, ‘contention by words or arguments,'” she said.

“I gotta wonder — I mean this is a smart, smart man, a pediatric neurosurgeon we’re talking about. Does he know what the definition of a debate is?”

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/does...e+Raw+Story%29

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CarLIE Fiorina claims that 'the facts are clear' as she defends her lies

CarLIE

You think that will catch on, boo?

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Cruz: Let ‘real journalists’ Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh host GOP debates instead of ‘left wing operatives’


http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/cruz...e+Raw+Story%29

‘real journalists’

Fox's debate team had questions as nasty or as silly as anything CNBC had. Repugs are using the CNBC, simply LYING, in concert, about "leftwing media bias".

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Top Republicans Seek To End Most Debating, Replace It With Infomercial


Ben Carson is seeking to rally Republican candidates to end most actual debating at future Republican debates. Instead, candidates would spend most of their time taking turns delivering speeches.

Carson’s campaign is convening a meeting of various campaigns on Sunday night.

The campaigns will discuss Carson’s proposal, which includes “a minimum of five minutes for opening and closing statements with all major declared GOP candidates on stage.”

There are currently 14 candidates that have regularly been appearing in debates. Giving them five minutes each for opening and closing statements would take 140 minutes, which is more than the total time for a typical two hour debate.

CNBC focuses almost exclusively on business concerns and one of the questioners at the debatelaunched the Tea Party with a rant on the network. The questions challenged by the candidateswere actually accurate.
Ted Cruz has subsequently called for all future debate moderators to be registered Republicans. Cruz suggested Sean Hannity or Rush Limabugh.


http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...ed-on-youtube/

Question from Fox's panel of liars were just as "bad" as those from CNBC, but Repugs didn't attack the Fox Liars.