Something I just mentioned in another thread, but I think it's worth discussing on it's own.
When the focal point of the starters' offense was Tony and Tim, it made sense to have Danny and Kawhi spacing the floor and a relative non-factor offensively like Tiago doing blue collar work.
But now that the offense will be largely focused on LMA and Kawhi, would the Spurs be better served starting somebody like Patty to space the floor instead of a ball dominant PG? or perhaps go the other way, starting Manu next to TP and have more playmaking?
I know it's early, but the starters have really struggled creating offense, and I thought this might be something worth discussing.
(and playerfan krews please keep this civil, thx)
Long overdue.
Also, from a player / coaching perspective, Porker needs to know that ballhogging/failure to distribute will have consequences. As in being benched.
Popped got it in 2014. Seems to be the ONLY year he has.
All the moreso now that LMA/Kwa are the 1/2 options.
NO. Our only two players that are good at dribble penetration are Tony and Manu. This threat forces the defense to contract. Without either one of the floor the defense could just sit on the perimeter.
This would be 2009 Spurs playoff team that lost to Suns because we had same issue.
I would like to see Patty start and get Parker with Manu and the 2nd unit. These are the ideal matches to test.
80% of the people here have been calling for patty to start. Makes sense in a kawhi and lma offense
The problem with starting Manu instead of Danny will be the 2nd unit playmaking.
It should definitely be on the table for discussion by patfo. Patty can sufficiently run a basic picknroll with Aldridge. He's not that limited skillwise like some suggest.
The problem becomes Tony if he is removed from the starting unit. This could be a big problem from an ego perspective. Maybe he wouldn't sulk up like a about it but I'm thinking he would. He already has delusions of grandeur in that he thinks he can play in the league for 20 years. Not at this rate, Frenchman.
Perhaps we would be better served with a TP-Manu backcourt then? I think part of the problem is that Tony has a hard time these days getting inside the paint like he used to...
I mean, both Kawhi and LMA mostly operate from the post or curls anyways...
Fair point, but I did notice that this season, Pop has delegated Patty with more of the ball handling in the 2nd unit. He's running point much more than Manu on a general basis. Plus the bench has another playmaker in Boris, and people have been saying Anderson might deserve to get a shot at that role.
Thb I think both Parker and Mills are trash PGs. I'll leave it at that.
Agreed but who knows?
This is interesting to me because if Patty starts he'll be playing with Danny and if Manu starts he'll be playing with TP. I somehow see the latter being Pop's first move and that would put Danny with Bobo and Patty in the second unit. Even with Manu currently shooting the 3 better than most, I'm thinking our starting unit would see their 3 pta's drop a bit. Now the second unit would have quite the 3 pt. lineup....on paper.
With LMA and Kawhi getting a lot more touches perhaps a playmaker like Manu is more proficient. Something is really pulling Danny out of rhythm. Perhaps being the 5th option is the culprit?
Not exactly wrong when you look around the league.
I'm just hesitant to break up wingstop.
Matty BonBon starting all 5 games might have had something to do with it.
Same here. Our D would take a hit with DG to the bench.
The closing unit is a more important question though since tony can start and still play with the bench for the most part
I wonder how Parker would fare coming off the bench? I know he would dominate other team's 2nd unit, but I wonder if he or Pop would be willing to do that? At least to see if it would work.
Here is Patty Mills as a starter:
34 points
12 assists
5 rebounds
Spurs win 107 - 101 over Golden State.
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=320426009
If one of you computer guys can make all his started game stats come up at once, go for it.
And this is what I said in that other thread:
Honestly, I feel that Green is slumping a bit defensively, even though he was fine enough on Wall last night. Green not playing elite defense and Parker not playing elite offense is a really bad combination. Green can (and definitely should) commit himself almost completely to D, which should improve his prospects. Parker probably won't be anything above a third option from now on, and he can't get into the paint well enough to give Green open looks.
I don't think role-players really work with this new mid-range offense. Green's threes aren't really coming within the flow of the offense right now. And Parker needs time to adjust to only attacking when he has mismatches. This change is clunky, and honestly, it might be untenable.
It might make sense to bench one of the two of them. Green's the most likely one for several reasons. He and Ginobili should form a good second unit, as Manu still plays a more open style, and the bench needs defense. The problem would be the other starting wing. Could see Anderson starting, as his game actually fits well with Leonard and Aldridge. But that puts more defensive pressure on Kawhi. That's probably the only option that would even have a chance or working, as Butler would just be a homeless man's Green, and Simmons isn't even ready for garbage time.
Patty is not a starter. He is a relief pitcher. He's only good for spot minutes.
I do think Parker/Leonard/Anderson/Aldridge/Duncan makes some sense. Just mid-range shots all day. But then Anderson is guarding starting wings, and that seems like an awful prospect.
I don't see Anderson defending starting wings well even if I think he's a better defender than people give him credit for.
Anderson starting is awful for leonard and aldridge. Imagine him making the past to Kawhi and LMA. So easy to help on kawhi and LMA.
What happened to our 3 pointers? you need 3s in this day and age in the NBA.
In addition to #1 game listed above:
Patty starter Game 2 research
34 minutes
27 points
5 assists
Spurs win 110 -106 over Phx.
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=320425021
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