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Tbh. We tried benching Green before and it was a real fest.
I would love to see Manu, kahwi, Diaw, Aldridge and Boban.. Any thoughts?
Tbh. We tried benching Green before and it was a real fest.
For me in the Playoffs, when we need some offense and teams will focus on LMA and Leonard I truly believe that a Mills-Green-Leonard-Diaw-LMA group would serve the best needs. We had a conversation about this in a hungarian Spurs forum, and we certainly think that this group would make some serious damage. Defense would not be that bad, since LMA is much better than expected, and rebounding should still be fine. Once playoffs time and team going small it will be hard to keep Timmy in the game together with LMA.
My main problem is, I hate this offense. Even LMA seems to much more of a distributor than KL, that really hurts our offense. It has no flow, no passing to the open man. LMA and mainly Kawhi wants to make it alone and I just can't tell you how sad I am because of this. Really it's the Mike Brown Lakers offense. 3 postups for Kawhi (Kobe), 1 postup for Lamarcus (Gasol), while everyone else is standing. This is not the basketball I can live with.
I know it's early, but the way we try to utilize Kawhi's offense, would benefit much more from a jump shooting big man (Ilyasova comes to my mind) and a PG who can really knock down the open shot. Mills, Neal, Lin or even Mo Williams would fill that role. The KL-LMA tandem is just killing each other. We should try to sub one of them early and let him play with the second unit.
Last edited by szkorhetz; 11-05-2015 at 03:09 PM.
Pop and Parker have a devil's pact. It's gonna take more than a marginal strategy improvement to cut Parker from the starting line-up.
It's still early. Hopefully as time goes by, the offense will evolve into something more of a Spurs style offense. But with the emergence of KL, I don't expect it to be exactly what it was. Just closer than it is now.
Patty Starter Game 3 research
Spurs lost*
24 min
9 pts
4 assists
Spurs lead after 3 quarters.
*Duncan
*GNob
*Porker
all rested this entire game.
Game played in Mormonville.
Utah 33 FTAs
Spurs 10
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=320409026
Lol Our problems always leak in different forms, I remember when Spurs were short having only Duncan and Bonner as their bigs, then it came size and a 3 pointers festival, now our 3´s smell like ass and the midrange is always knocking the back rim
No. They really need a C and backup SF and their starting PG is not elite anymore.
If the Spurs make this adjustment and start rocking the league, can we still have PollyAnna Popper parties?
Lol. The Duncan/Bonner era was by far the worst.Lol Our problems always leak in different forms, I remember when Spurs were short having only Duncan and Bonner as their bigs, then it came size and a 3 pointers festival, now our 3´s smell like ass and the midrange is always knocking the back rim
We just need a trade, both Tony and Manu most have a reduce role..,
It's dicey, mainly because Kawhi would be the only even average perimeter defender. Anderson I think would be okay playing with Green, Leonard and Duncan. But he'd struggle having to take the second-best perimeter player on the other team.
Not really. Anderson can shoot from midrange, and he seems to be great at making post-entry passes. And he can actually drive to the basket. You're right that spacing would suffer, but the idea of someone passing the ball to the post then just standing there is antiquated anyhow. Anderson can cut or even use some misdirection to gain post position himself.
That sounds awful, no offense. Horrible spacing and defense.
start Butler at SG, trade Green for a cheaper wing who can shoot and defend + a 7 footer who can defend better than West.
Might have to pay off Green a few extra million (not part of the salary cap, but still an expense for Holt) for him to waive his bird trade exemption.
This is like Bads City, USA.
Butler is like Green by worse in every way.
Who's going to trade for Green using essentially a cheaper Green and a rotation big?
I assume you were joking about the under the table money. But Green doesn't have any trade exemption. In fact, he's never had one his whole career.
Anderson just lacks the experience to start right now, IMO. That's a non-option at this stage.
I think the workable options would be: Patty-Green, Tony-Manu, Manu-Green and not much else, taking also into account the defensive side.
Danny isn't going anywhere.
Just need manu to be 10 years younger
You need to understand the personel better. Anderson cutting with TD on the court with LMA or Kawhi posting up is going to be rare to nonexistant. Id imagine it would be very ineffective. The reality is that both LMA and Kawhi are scores, not playmakers.
Im not even going to argue on how terrible the transition D would be with on him starting. Kawhi cant shoulder the whole perimeter D now that he is the focal point of the offense( something you disagree for some reason but pop and Inare fully convinced). Kawhi needs Green on D...someone gotta help that cone PG
Still too early.
How you want to change without a trade? You don't have any possibility as of now!
I'd say the starting two is the spot the Spurs feel most comfortable starting an inexperienced player. Before Danny locked it down five years ago, it was like public bathroom in Tokyo with how much traffic (and how much crap) came through. The reason why that position was so dynamic is because it was just a place-holder for Ginobili. Even though the player was a starter, they weren't a closer, and they usually trailed far behind the second unit in terms of MPG. The same thing would be true in this case, except Anderson would be losing minutes to Green in addition to Manu. In fact, the Spurs could probably better regulate Manu's minutes by letting Green be the sixth man and having Ginobili come in when Leonard sits.
Anderson not cutting with the starting unit on the court seems like random speculation. Remember that Kyle is likely going to draw the worst perimeter defender if he starts. So he's going to be open. I agree that letting Anderson iso on his man may lead to bad offense, but that's not going to be much different from LMA and Kawhi doing the same thing. Right now, Danny is drowning on the floor due to not getting looks in rhythm. I don't think surrounding Kawhi and LMA with shooters is going to generate a ton of good looks, because as you said, they aren't play-makers.
Obviously, I agree on the defensive issue. But Parker is going to keep starting, so if anything is going to change, it's Green.
Or Pop needs to stagger lineups more and take Parker out sooner and give him more minutes w/ 2nd unit and Patty more minutes w/ 1st unit. Don't necessarily have to start Patty to accommodate OP's notion.. tbh
I can't see Manu starting because of the reasons people have indicated in the posts here: 1) the second unit needs his leadership (Diaw can create plays but lacks the leadership that Manu brings), and 2) Manu can't match Green's defensive abilities.
In terms of Mills starting, I think it would be worse. Presumably the point would be to use him to spread the floor. Problem with that is that, similar to Manu, Patty would be a defensive liability compared to Green, and his strength is in 'letting it fly", but the first string is a bit too orchestrated for that.
If there is to be a change in the starting backcourt (and I'm not in favor of it at this point), I would think you would have to replace Parker with Manu. Then put Parker in with the second unit along with Green and Diaw. Problem then is that you use too many Manu minutes, and we all know what happens when Manu gets used more minutes than his aging body accommodates.
The only real problems I see with the starting unit is that the team is not accustomed to Kawhi and LA being the first and second scoring options. They are all trying very hard to make that happen, but it takes Green out of his rhythm (as someone else pointed out), and we very often end up with crowded spacing when Duncan and Aldridge are near the paint and Kawhi is trying to iso with his back to the paint. It is just too crowded. As Kawhi improves at passing out of double teams to the right shooter (he is learning this skill but it is taking a bit), and as Aldridge gets more comfortable with where he needs to be in general, and as Kawhi and Aldridge become more comfortable in an offensive set that involves either or both of them going one-on-one, I think things will improve.
Remember last year when the beginning of the season was a mess of watching four of our starters watch Kawhi try to iso while standing and waiting to see if it would work? It was not pretty.
This year is not pretty.
I think the call for a line-up change in the backcourt is premature, but I don't expect it to get very pretty any time soon.
The bajillion turnovers last night was a combined function of Washington turning up the speed and us being too dumb not to fall for it, and the (too) frequent unforced errors by not being sufficiently focused.
We'll get there I think...
give 'em time.
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