Spurs: DAGGERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[da_suns_fan]

Sure, D'Antoni is one of the most influential and underrated people in NBA history, I've always said it..he was a misunderstood genius from a basketball perspective, and dug his own grave by working for one of the worst organizations in sports(the Suns) and 2 antiquated franchises with mass media(Lakers, Knicks)..

However, his overall philosophy was not the same as the Spurs or the Warriors, as he obviously didn't put any emphasis on an entire facet of basketball(defense), nor did he employ a deep bench, which has been a staple for both the Spurs/Warriors respective teams..the Warriors are a deep, pace and space team that plays elite defense, just like the Spurs of 2013 and 2014, and Kerr himself has credited the Spurs for influence many, many times..

What can I say except "your'e clueless"?

[HarlemHeat37]

What can I say except "your'e clueless"?

Nice rebuttal, pointing out my phone's vocabulary list..not surprising, tbh..

[Chris]

Suns fan still salty after all these years?

Your tears are so sweet.

Sarver being the saltiest

[da_suns_fan]

Nice rebuttal, pointing out my phone's vocabulary list..not surprising, tbh..

Well you started to say some things that made sense but then just went with the lazy "D'Antoni didnt employ a bench" nonsense.

Tell me, which player proved D'Antoni wrong? Who couldnt get off D'Antoni's bench and went on to be a contributor somewhere else?

And did D'Antoni "employ a bench" in NY or LA?

Do your homework instead of just posting lazy .

[da_suns_fan]

Suns fan still salty after all these years?

Your tears are so sweet.

Truth.

I get that this gets the non-playoffs bound team all wet and but at the end of the day, you get to realize who'll be going where.

Sarver being the saltiest

Sarver's salty, but Spurs fans are defensive as fuuuuuuuuuuuck!

Everything I said...it was all true. They cant deal with it so they get defensive.

[HarlemHeat37]

Well you started to say some things that made sense but then just went with the lazy "D'Antoni didnt employ a bench" nonsense.

Tell me, which player proved D'Antoni wrong? Who couldnt get off D'Antoni's bench and went on to be a contributor somewhere else?

And did D'Antoni "employ a bench" in NY or LA?

Do your homework instead of just posting lazy .

Bro, are you actually trying to deny that D'Antoni wasn't known and widely criticized for having a short rotation everywhere he went?

[Clipper Nation]

Everything I said...it was all true.

"Dudley > Melo"
"The 2008 Suns are winning it all"
"We don't need Joe Johnson"

[da_suns_fan]

Bro, are you actually trying to deny that D'Antoni wasn't known and widely criticized for having a short rotation everywhere he went?

Are you a ing idiot or just clueless?

[spursgu]

Yeah your posts is all saltiness and I do think Spurs fans are a sensitive bunch too.

[da_suns_fan]

"Dudley > Melo"
"The 2008 Suns are winning it all"
"We don't need Joe Johnson"

Youre still here? Arent you still sore form the Harden/Paul tag team?

You still got CP3's nut on your face. He did it again last night, actually.

[HarlemHeat37]

Are you a ing idiot or just clueless?

[da_suns_fan]

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Pick a team (Lakers or Knicks) and pick a year he coached. Figure out how many players played at least..say..12 minutes a game (on average). Then explain how D'Anotni "didnt employ a bench".

Or just ADMIT that youre clueless.

[Blake's Cucktainer]

[benefactor]

Sarver's salty, but Spurs fans are defensive as fuuuuuuuuuuuck!

Everything I said...it was all true. They cant deal with it so they get defensive.

[HarlemHeat37]

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Pick a team (Lakers or Knicks) and pick a year he coached. Figure out how many players played at least..say..12 minutes a game (on average). Then explain how D'Anotni "didnt employ a bench".

Or just ADMIT that youre clueless.

Man, just google "Mike D'Antoni short rotation" and see the hundreds of articles in the search results..were you living under a rock during the entire D'Antoni era, tbh? I'm genuinely surprised that you don't know about D'Antoni's notorious short rotations..

D’Antoni should look to play Gasol at the center position full-time and less along the perimeter. However, D’Antoni has gained a reputation of having short player rotations, and not necessarily utilizing his bench very well.

Anthony wasn’t the only one to blame. James Dolan simply ignored what made D’Antoni successful in Phoenix. D’Antoni had thrived in the NBA with unprecedentedly short rotations. In the 2006-2007 season, when the Suns won 61 games, D’Antoni only played eight players for more than twelve minutes a game. His reserves understood their place on the team. Suns’ ownership always consulted D’Antoni before signing free agents or drafting prospects to make sure D’Antoni approved.

The known problem for Mike D’Antoni is that he runs a very short rotation. Like Mike Brown, he might play the starters too many minutes and run the starters down to the ground; he famously played Jeremy Lin a TON of minutes during Linsanity last season, which led to Lin being shut down before the playoffs started. D’Antoni has a very short leash on players and with the bench barely adequate at the moment, we’re not sure how much playing time they’ll get.

Combine a stubborn coach with a history of short rotations and a player who’s riding the pine in the last year of a team-high $14 million deal, and it’s not exactly a match made in heaven.

Bench minutes rankings:

2013 Lakers- 29th
2012 Knicks- 23rd
2011 Knicks- 23rd
2010 Knicks- 28th
2009 Knicks- 28th
2008 Suns- 22nd
2007 Suns- 26th
2006 Suns- 16th
2005 Suns- 30th
2004 Suns- 29th
1999 Nuggets- 27th

1 team that cracked the top 22, 7 teams that finished in the bottom 5

[benefactor]

^...welp

[Killakobe81]

Sure, D'Antoni is one of the most influential and underrated people in NBA history, I've always said it..he was a misunderstood genius from a basketball perspective, and dug his own grave by working for one of the worst organizations in sports(the Suns) and 2 antiquated franchises with mass media(Lakers, Knicks)..

However, his overall philosophy was not the same as the Spurs or the Warriors, as he obviously didn't put any emphasis on an entire facet of basketball(defense), nor did he employ a deep bench, which has been a staple for both the Spurs/Warriors respective teams..the Warriors are a deep, pace and space team that plays elite defense, just like the Spurs of 2013 and 2014, and Kerr himself has credited the Spurs for influence many, many times..

I don't care about the opinions of casual fans and I don't watch mainstream shows or follow mainstream media, but you must be living under a rock if you haven't heard the entire league gushing about the Spurs' influence and being the gold standard the past few years..

I agree like i said Spurs did it better and smarter and Dubs have taken it a step further. SPURS IN 2012-2014 was one of the best passing teams i ever seen along with pretty good defense. Just saying dantoni kickstarted the era ...it even got Nash twp mvps

[da_suns_fan]

Man, just google "Mike D'Antoni short rotation" and see the hundreds of articles in the search results..were you living under a rock during the entire D'Antoni era, tbh? I'm genuinely surprised that you don't know about D'Antoni's notorious short rotations..











Bench minutes rankings:

2013 Lakers- 29th
2012 Knicks- 23rd
2011 Knicks- 23rd
2010 Knicks- 28th
2009 Knicks- 28th
2008 Suns- 22nd
2007 Suns- 26th
2006 Suns- 16th
2005 Suns- 30th
2004 Suns- 29th
1999 Nuggets- 27th

1 team that cracked the top 22, 7 teams that finished in the bottom 5

Your first two quotes are about Phoenix, not Lakers or Knicks. Next two say that he had a REPUTATION for short rotations in Phoenix which I never disputed (I just called LAZY..which it is).

D'Antoni's short rotations in Phoenix was less about less about hsi philosophy and more of having 7-8 NBA quality players in Phoenix and the rest of the bench filled with minimum salary guys to avoid the luxury tax. There isnt a single player who proved D'Antoni "wrong".

The bench minute "rankings" are just the average minutes of players who got off the bench. A high minute average could be two-three guys playing high minutes off the bench while a low one could be lots of players averaging shorter rotations. Regardless, the fact that D'Antoni ranged from 16-29 just showed that having this NOTORIOUS reputation (as you put it) was completely unfounded.

[da_suns_fan]

Bench minutes rankings:

2013 Lakers- 29th
2012 Knicks- 23rd
2011 Knicks- 23rd
2010 Knicks- 28th
2009 Knicks- 28th
2008 Suns- 22nd
2007 Suns- 26th
2006 Suns- 16th
2005 Suns- 30th
2004 Suns- 29th
1999 Nuggets- 27th

1 team that cracked the top 22, 7 teams that finished in the bottom 5

You little ...you fudged the numbers AND you left a year off (on purpose). You pulled a MONOS:

2010: New York - 26th
2011: New York - 25th
2012: New York - 24th
2013: Lakers - 29th
2014: Lakers - 8th

Let it be known that Harlem Heat is a disingenuous poster.

[da_suns_fan]

^...welp

Welp he fudged the numbers and left the most damning one (to his argument) off.

Game. Set. match.

[HarlemHeat37]

I forgot he coached them in 2014, thought it was Scott..

2 finishes in the top 22 out of 12 or 13 years, 7 in the bottom 5 in the league, several in the bottom 3 and hundreds of articles citing D'Antoni's stubborn use of short rotations..this is absolutely pathetic, tbh..just take the L, bro, your last post was embarrassing and typical behavior of somebody that is losing an argument..only remaining tactic for you to utilize is personal attacks and insults..

I ing lived in New York during the D'Antoni era, it was a constantly discussed subject, this dude is trying to rewrite history..

BTW, the 16th finish with the Suns was skewed, since Amare missed the entire season..if he had played, the rotation would have been shorter and top-heavy, as usual..

So essentially, D'Antoni has had 1 team in the top 22 in bench minutes for his entire career..it was the 2014 Lakers..it took Mike over 20 years of coaching to realize that he should utilize a bench..

[HarlemHeat37]

EVERYBODY in the media, fans and the entire internet is wrong, hundreds of articles are false, but da suns fan is correct..he knows something that we don't, apparently..

The most egregious part is that he did the same thing with 4 different franchises ..completely different teams and organizations, different players, yet still only 1 legit season where his bench was in the top 22 in minutes played..

[da_suns_fan]

I forgot he coached them in 2014, thought it was Scott..

2 finishes in the top 22 out of 12 or 13 years, 7 in the bottom 5 in the league, several in the bottom 3 and hundreds of articles citing D'Antoni's stubborn use of short rotations..this is absolutely pathetic, tbh..just take the L, bro, your last post was embarrassing and typical behavior of somebody that is losing an argument..only remaining tactic for you to utilize is personal attacks and insults..

I ing lived in New York during the D'Antoni era, it was a constantly discussed subject, this dude is trying to rewrite history..

BTW, the 16th finish with the Suns was skewed, since Amare missed the entire season..if he had played, the rotation would have been shorter and top-heavy, as usual..

So essentially, D'Antoni has had 1 team in the top 22 in bench minutes for his entire career..it was the 2014 Lakers..it took Mike over 20 years of coaching to realize that he should utilize a bench..

You fudged numbers and left years off...you didnt forget. Nice try.

Now admit it.

[da_suns_fan]

EVERYBODY in the media, fans and the entire internet is wrong, hundreds of articles are false, but da suns fan is correct..he knows something that we don't, apparently..

The most egregious part is that he did the same thing with 4 different franchises ..completely different teams and organizations, different players, yet still only 1 legit season where his bench was in the top 22 in minutes played..

I agree..he was USUALLY in the bottom third in terms of rotation minutes, but that doesnt mean he doesnt believe in "employing a bench" as you describe. He might not go as deep as some other coaches but thats a different argument. Leandro Barbosa won sixth man of the year coming off D'Antoni's bench. Boris Diaw, Kurt Thomas, Tim Thomas, James Jones etc all got significant playing time while he was coaching the Suns.

The "notorious" reputation is one of these narratives that starts in the media but is actually not based on fact (as you have proved). It started when D'Antoni had no bench to use in the playoffs against the Spurs in 2005 (he was 30th that year) and local media scolded him for it. Never-mind that he didnt have any real bench outside of Jim Jackson and a second year Leandro Barbosa to play.

I actually spoke to his brother at length about it in the fall of 2005. He said his brother would play more guys if he had them, but management kept budget so tight they had to fill out the roster with garbage.

[Buddy Mignon]

Why are yall ing up my thread with this worthless talk...