This forum's stupid logic

[RD2191]

[Cry Havoc]

In before Cryhavoc's girlfriend.

Thank god I walked (ran faster than Usain Bolt) away from that .

[Cry Havoc]

Bruno was huge on taking subtle shots at Ginobili, btw..he did the same thing that some of your current most hated posters do, he just did it less overtly..

Also, Cry Havoc mentioning Duncan228 is strange..IIRC, she was ran off the forum by some of SpursTalk's original members, including timvp's personal friends, because she was voted onto the "All-SpursTalk" teams and they thought it was a ridiculous selection..

Do you have proof of this? I spoke to her personally about her leaving, and that is not what she told me. Also, there was plenty of vitriol from older ST members, it was just usually contained downstairs.

Agree on the meltdown part though. That's nothing new. Blaming it 24/7/365 on a single player wasn't something characteristic of the old ST though.

[GSH]

Welcome to Spurstalk?

LOL
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[bic50]

Despite thegreat , koolscrub, and the giant poosy trolldren, frauding ass kobyz and their garbage agenda based takes, this team isn't winning sh*t turning the ball over 20times, thats neither on parker or kawhi. Cut those turnovers down and win that game, simple.

[HarlemHeat37]

Do you have proof of this? I spoke to her personally about her leaving, and that is not what she told me. Also, there was plenty of vitriol from older ST members, it was just usually contained downstairs.

That's what I recall, I'm not going to go through forum history all the way back until 2011..

I know for a fact that there was an outrage that she was named to the All-SpursTalk team, though, and I remember some of the individual posters that began taking shots at her..

[dabom]

HarlemWiththeHeat37

[dabom]

Alright guys. Today I will ignore all the ST trolls.

[GSH]

I personally think the turning point was before that. It was when they unshackled the spurs forum. Downstairs used to be the place you went to talk trash and be an asshole. Up here, you had to bring some takes or get shut down. That was the PERFECT system because it still allowed for histrionics but they were contained.

But then something happened, the admins stopped doing anything, and honorable posters like Duncan228 left because they got sick of the junior high bull that took the place of actual basketball discussion. There was always silly happening (bravatars, anyone?) but most of it was goofy, in good humor, and somewhat restrained. That's been replaced in no small part by attention s who spam the forum incessantly and try to form crews to protect their own precious ego, because being anonymous on a message board isn't enough to sate their insecurities.

As soon as the older posters who brought quality content dropped off, it started a feedback spiral. Sad, really.

That's about as accurate as it gets. And the downward spiral is visible in the responses below your post.

Duncan228 brought in a lot of information that was accurate, timely, and just good to read. She got tired of the bull , and went elsewhere. Regardless of who was responsible, it was a loss for SpursTalk. Now most of the "content" is either "Tony sucks", "Manu sucks", or "OP is a got" *. Not exactly the same quality of information about the Spurs as before. But the children are all insufferably pleased with themselves when they say it.

*Sorry... didn't mean to leave out "butthurt" and "umadbro?".

[Hoops Czar]

That's about as accurate as it gets. And the downward spiral is visible in the responses below your post.

Duncan228 brought in a lot of information that was accurate, timely, and just good to read. She got tired of the bull , and went elsewhere. Regardless of who was responsible, it was a loss for SpursTalk. Now most of the "content" is either "Tony sucks", "Manu sucks", or "OP is a got" *. Not exactly the same quality of information about the Spurs as before. But the children are all insufferably pleased with themselves when they say it.

*Sorry... didn't mean to leave out "butthurt" and "umadbro?".

Duncan228 was a good poster who left because she was sick and tired of being harassed by cant_be_faded and a few others for posting articles rather than speaking her mind. It had nothing to do with the downward spiral of Spurstalk. The "Tony sucks", "Manu sucks", or "OP is a got" posts is what happens when you leave the forum to the dogs, free of moderation.

[Cry Havoc]

It had nothing to do with the downward spiral of Spurstalk. The "Tony sucks", "Manu sucks", or "OP is a got" posts is what happens when you leave the forum to the dogs, free of moderation.

But... that is the downward spiral of Spurstalk... and CBF was part of the first little "crew" that started harassing posters.

[dabom]

But... that is the downward spiral of Spurstalk... and CBF was part of the first little "crew" that started harassing posters.

Harassing? Must be a bunch of gots.

[spurso]

ST still has a lot of good takes, but this forum ain't what it used to be.

This. Sad too because it used to be so good.

[Kikoluna]

As much as I want Tony benched. ..it really irks me when people here call him Enrique. ..I never got the point or humor. ...Also the Paul George thing....those 2 annoy me every time

[spurso]

The work of Timvp, Bruno and others who would make well-thought out articulate posts of publishable quality is what attracted me to this site in 2008. Living far away from SA, I could get links to all the relevant articles on the Spurs in one place and often follow interesting discussions. It was the best place to come for an instant update.

I think it was after the loss to the Heat in 2013 that this place began to suffer a bit, as many of the old posters left. Then came a few posters (very few really, but they may have alts), who I truly believe are not Spurs fans but fans of other teams who have succeeded in dividing this forum into various groups. I don't think I'd ever heard the term "player fan" until this year, and I wonder if those who introduced it were not themselves trying to create dissension. The incessant Tony bashing shows a mob mentality, with the leaders doing it as loudly as possible and others meekly following just to fit in. Other posters have tried to turn Kawhi, who definitely deserves mammoth praise, into practically the sole reason we're winning, and advocated this in so many ridiculous threads, posted at such a rapid frequency, that a backlash against Leonard has developed, and now an anti-Kawhi contingent roams these boards. Throw in a few spoiled fans who want to fire Pop, despite 20 years of unparalleled success, or bench player X every time we lose a game, and discussion has been replaced by a primitive sort of tribalism. It is rather sad that these provocateurs whose agenda is clearly to create rifts among the Spurs faithful have succeeded.

Given how successful the Spurs have been for decades, if this is the high life, I'd hate to see what these sames fans would do if they were supporters of the Timberwolves, or Hornets, or Knicks or even the Clippers until recently. My guess is very little, as no one would care. But making fans of the most successful franchise of all major American sports the past 20 years, one really rivaled only by the Patriots, feel miserable and hate their own players is quite a trolling accomplishment. Congratulations. I hope it gives your life meaning.

agree. BTW, whatever happened to TIMVP and Bruno. They were the main reasons I came to ST to start with. Mainly a lurker but will occasionally comment.

[RD2191]

Thank god I walked (ran faster than Usain Bolt) away from that .

[RD2191]

Tbh I've tried to stay out of the Parker/Kawhi fan feud but nolyfescrub and his 87 alts just irk me.

[Keepin' it real]

"the downward spiral"

I've seen two downward spirals.

First downward spiral
The first one might not have been a downward spiral, but just the way spurstalk has always been. I came to spurstalk in '09 after moving to a new city. I could no longer talk Spurs with my buddies every day, so I figured "cool, I can at least have internet chats with other Spurs fans."

But holy cow, there was so much profanity, disrespect and lack of civility between "Spurs fans." It was completely unexpected. Why on earth would a website for like-minded people be so constantly negative? I mean, if this was an NBA forum, I could see getting into it with Laker fans, Mavs fans, OKC fans, etc. Just like on sites like cnn.com, I totally expect arguments between conservatives and liberals. But this is Spurstalk. All of us are Spurs fans, so why the hostility? And when I brought it up, everyone attacked me, as if I was wrong for expecting "Spurs fans" to get along.

People tried to justify this behavior by saying, "It's the internet." So what? PTR is also on the internet, but they nip in the bud if people start getting out of line. There's nothing to justify so many derogatory, sexist, racist, etc. comments on this website.

Second downward spiral
The second downward spiral is much more recent, as others have said, with Apo, great yacht, dabom, etc. They completely ruin this site with divisive comments about the Spurs and general messages of hate toward everyone else. This is a 100% failure by the site admins/moderators. They are abdicating their responsibilities, and we're suffering the consequences.

I mean, I have over 100 members on my ignore list due to their unacceptable behavior and off-putting comments. That's ridiculous. Those accounts should have been closed long ago. I will continue coming here because there are a few people whose comments I enjoy reading. But it sure is a chore.

Admins/Moderators: Do your job!

[ElNono]

I've been here long enough to know everything went to when people starting defending Bonner, tbh...

[RD2191]

I've been here long enough to know everything went to when people starting defending Bonner, tbh...

We know you're rocking that Bonner jersey right now.

[TheGreatYacht]

It's simple to ignore the Kiwi trolls who attack every Spurs legend in history, mostly everyone does. That's why they have to keep bumping their threads with " " replies to stop the thread from falling to the 2nd page. Pretty pathetic, tbh. Dudes probably smell like onions and 100 built up Hot pockets or whatever food they eat in a third world country.

Every schtick they use is run down to the ground, from Parker vs insert PG here, to Kiwi will score 21+ pts today. You'd expect new content every now and then since they a have some autistic neck beard who takes leaves of absences from a forum PM'ing them thread ideas...

[DarrinS]

It's simple to ignore the Kiwi trolls who attack every Spurs legend in history, mostly everyone does. That's why they have to keep bumping their threads with " " replies to stop the thread from falling to the 2nd page. Pretty pathetic, tbh. Dudes probably smell like onions and 100 built up Hot pockets or whatever food they eat in a third world country.

Every schtick they use is run down to the ground, from Parker vs insert PG here, to Kiwi will score 21+ pts today. You'd expect new content every now and then since they a have some autistic neck beard who takes leaves of absences from a forum PM'ing them thread ideas...

You're one of the worst offenders, tbh.

[Silver&Black]

The work of Timvp, Bruno and others who would make well-thought out articulate posts of publishable quality is what attracted me to this site in 2008. Living far away from SA, I could get links to all the relevant articles on the Spurs in one place and often follow interesting discussions. It was the best place to come for an instant update.

I think it was after the loss to the Heat in 2013 that this place began to suffer a bit, as many of the old posters left. Then came a few posters (very few really, but they may have alts), who I truly believe are not Spurs fans but fans of other teams who have succeeded in dividing this forum into various groups. I don't think I'd ever heard the term "player fan" until this year, and I wonder if those who introduced it were not themselves trying to create dissension. The incessant Tony bashing shows a mob mentality, with the leaders doing it as loudly as possible and others meekly following just to fit in. Other posters have tried to turn Kawhi, who definitely deserves mammoth praise, into practically the sole reason we're winning, and advocated this in so many ridiculous threads, posted at such a rapid frequency, that a backlash against Leonard has developed, and now an anti-Kawhi contingent roams these boards. Throw in a few spoiled fans who want to fire Pop, despite 20 years of unparalleled success, or bench player X every time we lose a game, and discussion has been replaced by a primitive sort of tribalism. It is rather sad that these provocateurs whose agenda is clearly to create rifts among the Spurs faithful have succeeded.

Given how successful the Spurs have been for decades, if this is the high life, I'd hate to see what these sames fans would do if they were supporters of the Timberwolves, or Hornets, or Knicks or even the Clippers until recently. My guess is very little, as no one would care. But making fans of the most successful franchise of all major American sports the past 20 years, one really rivaled only by the Patriots, feel miserable and hate their own players is quite a trolling accomplishment. Congratulations. I hope it gives your life meaning.

Amen....

[ChumpDumper]

It's simple to ignore the Kiwi trolls who attack every Spurs legend in history, mostly everyone does. That's why they have to keep bumping their threads with " " replies to stop the thread from falling to the 2nd page. Pretty pathetic, tbh. Dudes probably smell like onions and 100 built up Hot pockets or whatever food they eat in a third world country.

Every schtick they use is run down to the ground, from Parker vs insert PG here, to Kiwi will score 21+ pts today. You'd expect new content every now and then since they a have some autistic neck beard who takes leaves of absences from a forum PM'ing them thread ideas...

You need to rein yourself in as well.

[cjw]

This is like AOL chat rooms back in the 90s with the trolls. Maybe we need the *warn* button to slow down the troll postings.