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People actually think Pop makes no mistakes? ing clowns.
It's because everyone knows that Popovich doesn't know what he's doing. Ask any other coach in the league.
People actually think Pop makes no mistakes? ing clowns.
No, you're right. The ing clowns were probably his biggest mistake ever.
^That's just spoiled talking.
Plus it's not like anything we say here really changes anything. It's about entertainment and that's about it.
Exactly. And that's why I also detest the "Let's wait and see" retort, like it matters if we give a player or lineup "a chance." I can just imagine Pop saying to reporters, "You know, I really wanted to keep Jimmer for a few months to see what we had, but the fans had already given up on him."
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Well, I think not having a set opinion on something this early in the season is valid. I can't buy that Danny won't get better, or that our starting lineup offense won't improve. I think "let's wait and see" is a sensible position to have at this time in some areas. At the end of the day every opinion is valid (even if it sucks or ends up being ), since, as we said, nothing we say here has any bearing on what the team does.
But what if you genuinely want to wait and see and not change the starting lineup?
The point I was trying to make is that we all HAVE to "wait and see". What we think has almost no bearing on what actually happens, so there's no virtue in patience and no folly in rashness. I'm sympathetic to the idea that a person would like to have more info before giving an opinion, but I have less sympathy for someone that they're view is somehow better than everyone else's because they're more patient, or "trust PATFO" more.
All I'm saying here is the sheer volume of talk about lineup changes (specifically this season) seems out of proportion to how good the Spurs are playing. Specifically, this is referring to how our starters are keeping the games close (or getting a lead) and then our bench is blowing the game open because of how much better they are than the other team's bench. Obviously we see the krew wanting Parker traded/benched/injured/etc, but now we're starting to get people wanting Duncan on the second unit, Boban starting, Manu starting, Green sent to the second unit for a few bad games, Aldridge traded because he isn't putting up 25/10 in this system (as though that's even possible with how Pop restricts minutes), etc.
So yah, it's fair to say "hey, quit trying to get us to shut up about changing up the roster," but it's just as fair for me to say, "wow, for starting the season off well, we sure have a lot of people who want to change things up." I just can't imagine how bad it would have been around here if we started like 4-5 or something. Probably the people that would have cut Pop in '99 when we started off bad, I don't know. All I'm saying is I'm grateful for the steady hand of our GM and coach, whose careers' success are based on seeing things long-term.
There is no virtue or folly in anything we do so your judgment of people who have the unmitigated gall to agree with what the Spurs do is kind of hypocritical.
And every person here thinks his opinion is better than anyone else's whether they agree with the Spurs or not; I don't get why that would move you one way or the other. Would an opinion to waive Leonard hold more weight with you than someone who countered with "I like what the Spurs are doing with Kawhi" just because the former is not what the Spurs are doing?
Right, but I think there's just a bit of difference between, "let's discuss the lineups" and the kind of systematic meltdown that happens regularly on SpursTalk... sometimes when we're up by double digits on the team we're playing.
There's a difference between, "I don't have an opinion either way," and "You guys are wrong for having an opinion, because I don't have one either way." Everyone is en led to their opinions, so they can not have one and get no objection with me. But I will critique people critiquing other people for having opinions, because those criticisms do not add to the discussion. Trying to prevent those posts DOES attempt to add to the discussion. It's a matter of reference.
We can't control what PATFO does, so it's implied by everyone that we'll wait and see what happens. However, we DO determine that type of discussion we have on this board, so it's not hypocritical to argue that we should decrease the number of times we have to acknowledge that we have no control over the Spurs' personnel moves.
Yes. I think anyone reasonable can agree that there's a lot of lame discussion on this board. Sometimes meltdowns, sometimes crew talk, sometimes spam. That can get really annoying in a hurry. But we have every right to act like any other fan base when it comes to discussing changes or critiquing performances or trash-talking other teams. We don't need defer judgment, keep perspective or stay humble. It's a balance between keeping trolling down and keeping shilling down.
There are a lot more things we should decrease on the board before simply stating something like that.
Agreed. I don't even mind the meltdowns. But when you combine it with the spam from a certain group of posters, suddenly -tier posts cons utes a huge fraction of the website, especially on a game day.
No, there is no other fan base like Spurs Talk.
It's special.
And all that's fine. There's nothing wrong with keeping the faith and not wanting to change the status quo. I don't think the Spurs should, either. They need the team to figure out how to play together, as this is the highest-upside first-unit possible. However, Pop has made changes in the midst of his teams' successes. Green, Leonard and Splitter each became mid-season starters, and the Spurs were a very good team on each of those occasions. And Pop has made temporary changes like Beli for Green or Diaw for Splitter. Pop likes to tinker to see what works. It might help to send Danny to the bench for a few games to see if he can get his rhythm back with the second unit. And it might help Anderson gain confidence if he starts. Leonard would get some games at the two to work on post play-making (as he'd have a mismatch every time down the floor). There's a lot of good that can come out of changing things up that doesn't demand the Spurs give up on their preferred starting unit long-term.
Agreed. I'll let everyone else critique the spamming and trolling. I'll critique the shilling. Sounds like an appropriate allocation of resources.
And that's for the mods to clean up (lol). No one really cleans up shilling, though, unless it becomes aggressive or spammy. Posters pretty much have to police themselves.
Chump getting owned per par. Might change his attention to me after such rapage.
The record is nice but shouldn't preempt any discussion, tbh... After all, the Spurs has had so far the 3rd easiest SOS in the league.
That said, it's perfectly fine to have an opinion or none at all this early in the season on any subject, including lineup changes.
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