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    There was a time when Tony could be a one man fast break. Lots of times he would charge ahead into two or even three defenders, split them, and score. Now, even when he has a step on a lone defender, he has to pull it back and wait for the rest of the team.

    I hate all the krew bull here, and I hate to feed the beast. But I don't see any signs he's playing hurt, like has been rumored in the last couple of seasons. And he's two steps slower than he used to be. There were several times tonight where I caught myself thinking that Tony should be off to the races, and there wasn't even a thought of it on his part.It really does look like Tony is incapable of running the fast break anymore. Those quick, high-percentage points are a big deal over the course of a game, and a season. Not to mention the wear and tear they save on the bigs.

    Some jackass will probably bring up a single play where the defense just falls asleep and lets him out on a break. But if there is any transition D from the other team, Tony doesn't appear to have any chance anymore.

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    Lillard wasn't torching him. Yes, he fell off him once on D but generally did his job funneling him into the bigs. Lillard had a pretty inefficient night (yes, helped by paint help D) and was hitting some contested threes. Still 6 points off his season average.

    If not for Ed friggen Davis killing with second chance points and Henderson going supernova for a stretch, this would have gotten out of hand quickly in the second half with the bench unit in.

    And on CJ, Danny was getting torched as badly as Tony in the first half. In the second half, he turned into a total chucker till the final stretch.
    The bigs were terrible on defense tonight IMO..Portland's bigs were beating them down the floor all night, and the rotations were poor until the 4th quarter..although to be fair, the Blazers have been arguably the worst 4th quarter team in the league, so far..

    The entire team looked a step slow and asleep defensively, Mills was the only guy that played with good effort on that end IMO..I'll live with Aminu and Henderson jump shots, though, they can have those, if they go in, they go in..

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    ...Tony doesn't appear to have any chance anymore.
    Well said

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    Am I the only one that saw CJ, Henderson and Lillard take turns abusing him? Him accepting his Prigioni role on offense is an upgrade from last season but his defense looks as ty as ever.
    you have selective memory

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    If not for Ed friggen Davis killing with second chance points and Henderson going supernova for a stretch, this would have gotten out of hand quickly in the second half with the bench unit in.
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    Why does this always happen with some random bums against the Spurs it seems?

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    Am I the only one that saw CJ, Henderson and Lillard take turns abusing him? Him accepting his Prigioni role on offense is an upgrade from last season but his defense looks as ty as ever.
    CJ destroyed Danny in the first half, not even a mention. I'm not sure why Parker's defense deserved a mention on a night where Lilliard was 7-19 from the floor for 22 points, and a couple of those fg's were pull up three's in transition and another three came on a pick. He was held under his season average of 27.5 a game.

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    CJ destroyed Danny in the first half, not even a mention. I'm not sure why Parker's defense deserved a mention on a night where Lilliard was 7-19 from the floor for 22 points, and a couple of those fg's were pull up three's in transition and another three came on a pick. He was held under his season average of 27.5 a game.
    McCollum scored 6 of his 21 vs. Green, and everybody in the game thread mentioned it, actually..

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    He has played well, so far, both individually and in his role, but he was pretty solid last November, as well IIRC..the test will be how his body reacts later in the season, and how he plays vs. good teams..

    Reminds me of Jose Calderon with less 3s and more driving, so far..
    After November is when the injuries began to mount and he allowed himself to get out of shape. He just needs to play intelligently within the framework of Pop's new scheme and hopefully stay healthy. His defense will never be back to a quality level, so people shouldn't complain about it anymore, while his play against quality teams will tell us a lot. I really only think a handful of teams can exploit him - Oklahoma City being the primary example due to Westbrook - successfully on both ends, but we'll see as the season progresses.
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    You still posting? Having a Serena fetish, a confirmed chode, and wanted to start a measuring podcast.

    MVParker won't cuck you, quit being musty b
    You got that right, I would cuck Porker rather than the other way around. I saw you tried to steal Serena's cell but ted your pants when she caught up to you You are learning you role as my bottom just like your mistress Porker.

    FYI: I got news from Pop that Kawhi isn't planning on replying to your fan mails

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    You got that right, I would cuck Porker rather than the other way around. I saw you tried to steal Serena's cell but ted your pants when she caught up to you You are learning you role as my bottom just like your mistress Porker.

    FYI: I got news from Pop that Kawhi isn't planning on replying to your fan mails
    "Crickets" - crickets

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    "Crickets" - crickets

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    You got that right, I would cuck Porker rather than the other way around. I saw you tried to steal Serena's cell but ted your pants when she caught up to you You are learning you role as my bottom just like your mistress Porker.

    FYI: I got news from Pop that Kawhi isn't planning on replying to your fan mails
    ..

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    You got that right, I would cuck Porker rather than the other way around. I saw you tried to steal Serena's cell but ted your pants when she caught up to you You are learning you role as my bottom just like your mistress Porker.

    FYI: I got news from Pop that Kawhi isn't planning on replying to your fan mails

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    wow, ing gots still ting on parker despite him taking high percentage shots and not hurting the team. Every pointguard in the league is gonna get burned by Lillard at some point. Our point guard stops playing hero ball, and you dumbasses still on him. ing player fans all of you.

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    Parker Net Rating: 0.1

    Patty Net Rating: 22.7

    in case somebody doesn't know Net Rating is a team's point differential per 100 possessions. On a player level this statistic is the team's point differential per 100 possessions while he is on court.

    Surely this can't go on. It's THE GLARING WEAKNESS of the team. Even when he isn't ruining way too much on offense which he didn't really in this game, at least not directly, his defense is abysmal and to have been this negative on a winning team with a good point differential is quite remarkable.

    Patty needs to get more of his minutes. Maybe much more.

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    Patty needs to get more of his minutes. Maybe much more.
    Patty is only effective with Manu spoon-feeding him open 3s. That's why he's getting the minutes he's getting, with the 2nd unit. There's some balance to it all.

    Overall right now the 1st unit is relatively inefficient, because LMA, Tim and Tony are adapting to a new role; and Kawhi is streaky and Green is listless. This will change.

    The Spurs have 2 units for different reasons: one is slow-tempo (which is good to control the flow of the game against the opponent's stars--and this will become even more important at the end of the season and during the playoffs) and the other is up-tempo (with sharpshooters who can create separation against the opponent's bench).

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    Patty is only effective with Manu spoon-feeding him open 3s. That's why he's getting the minutes he's getting, with the 2nd unit. There's some balance to it all.
    Yet Mills had 8 assist the other night while playing most minutes with the Starters. Parker finally played the way he should have been playing last night, penetrating and LOOKING TO PASS FIRST. Had a season high in assist, at 5 believe it or not. He can easily avg 8 apg (even in 25 mpg), if he just continues to do this.

    His defense is what it is. He has lost a step and as I mentioned earlier, great PGs like Lillard, Paul, Wall, Irving, etc. will continue to own Parker defensively. Parker just needs to be smarter on his rotation and adjust for his lost of speed. He needs to learn to compensate for his lost of recovery time on D.

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    I'll live with Aminu and Henderson jump shots, though, they can have those, if they go in, they go in..
    If you execute your game plan and a team is forced to settle with that, odds are in your favor that you'll beat a team four times out of seven. Not that the Spurs will make another trip to Portland this season either in the RS or postseason.

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    Yet Mills had 8 assist the other night while playing most minutes with the Starters. Parker finally played the way he should have been playing last night, penetrating and LOOKING TO PASS FIRST. Had a season high in assist, at 5 believe it or not. He can easily avg 8 apg (even in 25 mpg), if he just continues to do this.
    He had six assists against the Hornets. It's amazing how sloppy one side is with statistics.

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    He had six assists against the Hornets. It's amazing how sloppy one side is with statistics.
    One off, so fire me. But still, it is better than the 3 apg he had in other games. Parker just needs to learn to pass of his penetration. This will actually get him much more open layups and jumpers. He is no longer quick enough to beat traps like he use to.

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    As I said in another post, we don't need a prime level Parker to be successful with this team, and my example was the modern repeat Lakers who had Derek Fisher as their starting PG, who was even worse on offense and defense than Parker (although he did provide 3 point shooting). Like those Lakers, these Spurs will be able to kill teams with their length, rebounding, post game, and mid range game. Even Parker seems to be doing better with the increased spacing LMA provides. The only concerns are dribble, dribble, dribble and his defense liabilities. I think he'll adjust the former and the latter can be masked with all the great defenders he has around him.

    He's not the concern he was last year for me since he has to carry a much less load now with LMA being on the team.
    Those Lakers teams won in a different era though. Not only was the game different, but the compe ion at the top of the West wasn't near what it is now.

    The three-point shooting doesn't have to be what it's been in recent years, but it can't be as bad as it's been so far, either.

    This is why, for all their efficiency, they have trouble open up and maintaining decent sized leads. The amount of turnovers doesn't help, but when you're last in the league getting to the line and don't get much in transition, it can't be compounded by poor three-point shooting.

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    Will got and chumpfgggot. Just let it go already. Tony sucks.

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    Patty is only effective with Manu spoon-feeding him open 3s.
    Yet Mills had 8 assist the other night while playing most minutes with the Starters.
    First game without Manu for Patty... ugly.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400828029

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    Will got and chumpfgggot. Just let it go already. Tony sucks.
    You wouldn't know one way of the other.

    You don't watch games.

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    It's not even that Mills is better than Parker, he can just shoot 3s which is what the team needs from the PG position when our go-to guys on offense are both ISO forwards.

    When you look at the teams Parker has flourished with (let's use 2007 Spurs for example), it was when we had dudes like Bowen, Horry, Finley and Barry on the team along with Manu.

    At any point in time, with Tony and TD on the floor you still had 3 other guys spacing that 3pt line. In contrast LMA hasn't shown as a 3pt threat all season and Kawhi is drawing a tonne of defensive focus and Green is shooting awful currently.

    If we're keeping Timmy, LMA and Kawhi on the floor together (our best 3 players) then you need 3pt threats at PG and SG. It's that simple. Mario Chalmers would be a better fit than Parker at PG purely because he's a 3pt threat.

    Parker's skillset is built for an inside-out game in a team of 3pt shooters and low post bruisers. It's the perfect niche to put a player like Parker whose close-mid range game fits perfectly in that.

    Now we've built a team of mid-range playmakers and shooters, so Parker is pointless with them. He's fine in any lineup just as long as you have no more than 2 of LMA/Whi/Timmy on the floor.

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