Drafted in the last 15 years. You know LeBron will have his passive aggressive iness and demand your team to bend over like Cleveland did last year. How big of a negative is LeBron's Bronntatorship project for a bball team?
What an old, vanilla take.
LeBron's best teammate in his first stint with the Cavs was Mo Freakin' Williams. The Cavs never gave him a team worthy of even being called an NBA squad, let alone a decent group of players.
I'd build around maybe 2-3 players in history before taking LeBron. Jordan, Kareem, and maybe Tim Duncan. That's about it.
Cry is probably right but it's funny how so much lingo gets recycled ...
no offense at you Cry ...
"vanilla takes"
"antiquated"
"monkey ball"
"chucker"
"mental midget"
"volume shooter"
Much credit to anyone that posts something original ... because best believe it will be copied on here.
As for the topic the goal is to win rings. And I know he has had some ty teams (along with some really good ones) but if the goal is ring tough to take him over Tim/Magic until he proves he can win more than two.
I almost felt dirty saying vanilla. Wanted to give it a shot. Assumed this was a troll thread anyway considered the vernacular that OP used, so it was a minimal effort on my part.
Youngest player to 25,000 points. But yeah, he's so easy to contain.
You don't think LeBron's ego could be a unique problem for a team that would make someone pick a somewhat lesser skilled player?I almost felt dirty saying vanilla. Wanted to give it a shot. Assumed this was a troll thread anyway considered the vernacular that OP used, so it was a minimal effort on my part.
I think it's ridiculous to suggest that there are any megastars in the NBA that don't have an ego. , even Duncan has an ego, but he checks it at the door. He's about as rare as it gets, though. You are aware that he almost left the Spurs for Orlando, right?
Jordan - Huge ing ego
Jabaar - Huge ing ego
Wilt - Ego the size of the planet
Hakeem - Huge ing ego
Bird - Huge ing ego
I mean, what is this notion you have that superstars in the NBA are humble Harry's with no desire to get paid any way they can?
You don't think the way Bronn's ego manifests itself is bad for a team?
Avoiding my question by asking another. Do you actually want to talk about this or just push your agenda?
It's worthwhile to take a look at the historical record of the Cavaliers franchise with and without LeBron:
In 37 years without LeBron the Cavaliers have 13 winning seasons, one division le, two trips to the ECF and no trips to the Finals
In 8 years with LeBron the Cavaliers have 7 winning seasons, three division les, three trips to the ECF and two trips to the Finals.
With LeBron the Cavaliers have been a consistent winner and a contender. Without him they're one of the worst franchises not only in the NBA but in all of professional sports. In terms of his impact on the Cavaliers, LeBron is the dictionary definition of a franchise player. The list of players who have had an equivalent impact on a franchise is pretty short.
there are franchise players and franchise players. Some of them are better for long term success than others.
I set my parameters and was curious how many people see his at udes a negative to the point of building around someone else. You saw how much ugliness can he create last year. He promoted himself to Point guard without speaking to the coach, almost buried Blatt in the press in a passive aggressive way, they settled for a very stagnant offense etc... These are very unusual steps for a homecoming ''hero''. He expects the franchise to become his hoe.
Actually, your initial parameter was:
And when I pointed out how common that was, you shifted the vernacular to:
While dodging the question. It's a pretty obvious cop out of a complete non-issue. LeBron's got an ego but it is not at all unique in the grand scheme of players, especially when you get into the greatest of all-time.
And the only non-winning season was his rookie year, so it's completely understandable given the struggles of the franchise. Also, they're the Vegas favorites to win it all this year, or were before Golden State went off at the start of the year.
"Ego".
Any player who is asked to shoulder as much responsibility as LeBron had better have an ego.
He is narcissistic, he called his return the greatest event in sports history.
His ego is an issue and the original parameters are in the le and the reasoning is under it.
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He is incredibly talented, but he's not coachable at all.
If we are being realistic, its a talent's league, and if you are a franchise you can't realistically pass up on him if he falls to you, and you need to make it work with him and give him whatever he wants. That is what Cleveland is doing.
However, in a fictional hypothetical world, I can recognize that the man is a huge mega headache to deal with. I see where you are coming from. Of the current players, Tim Duncan, Kawhi Leonard, Steph Curry, Anthony Davis, even Wade, Nowitzki are more coachable and easier to deal with.
Agreed and thats why he never had a real coach, the whole decision thing, the Im coming back letter etc only shows dude is an asshole.
Blatt is a real coach, he just cannot act like one because the Bron has the Cavs by the balls.
Blatt has lots of holes, Lebron saved his ass during one crucial last second play in the playoffs remember the NBA is not the EuroLeague.
Lebron needs someone who doesnt complain, a real coach like Pop would make him cry.
He almost made a huge mistake with the refs. The Bron was cold and he is a great passer, why not make him inbound the ball? It's also silly to define a coach by one play. Pop would make him cry in SA, he would adjust to him or get fired anywhere else.
Last edited by Othyus Lalanne; 11-12-2015 at 01:17 PM.
Drafted in the last 15 years? I can't think of anybody who could make the kind of impact Lebron does in the last 23 years since Shaq came in. Not Kobe, Duncan, Garnett, Dirk, etc. I don't see Davis of ever being that guy either, he'll probably be a superstar but we're talking about once in a decade players here.
Jordan, Kareem and Lebron defend their le. Jim doesn't even attempt to. I could name 20 guys I'd build around instead of Jim.
I would take Duncan over LeBron since he's already proven more successful and in the more difficult conference, but he isn't "drafted last 15years". LBJ over the others you listed though besides Shaq.
Lbj isn't even top 10. Overrated athlete who would out power smaller defenders barreling his way to the rim.
just for the fun tho, what big ?
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