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    We would need new law to grant the father any rights. The mother obviously has inherent rights since she's the host and it's her life on the line. The state also has inherent rights in regulating abortion.

    Right now, fathers have zero rights.
    As medical imaging improves, how can anyone deny that it's a baby and condone (late 2nd, 3rd trimester) abortions? I remember looking at our 16 week sonogram picture trying to figure out who the baby will look like.

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    As medical imaging improves, how can anyone deny that it's a baby and condone (late 2nd, 3rd trimester) abortions? I remember looking at our 16 week sonogram picture trying to figure out who the baby will look like.
    Medical imaging doesn't matter. What matters is medical progress that makes birth less medically dangerous than abortion. Or the ability to transplant the fetus without damage to another host.

    What's to understand here is that no right is above the other. The mother's health risk right is exactly as important as the unborn well-being.

    You might not agree with that, but that's what the law is.

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    "What matters is medical progress that makes birth less medically dangerous than abortion."

    we have plenty of medical skills, natal and perinatal, to greatly reduce infant and materal death at birth.

    The Repug and Christian Taliban DEATH PANELS work very hard to screw poor non-white women out of contraception and perinatal care.

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    As rate of women dying in childbirth falls globally, US sees rise

    While maternal mortality rates across the globe have decreased by nearly half in the last 25 years, the United States is one of 13 countries where the rate has risen, according to a new survey (PDF) published Thursday by the United Nations and World Bank.

    The rate of women dying during childbirth has declined globally by 43 percent since 1990, when U.N. member states launched a series of pledges called the Millennium Development Goals aimed at making significant improvements in global indicators.


    A survey led by the U.N.’s World Health Organization estimates there were 303,000 maternal deaths globally in 2015, down from 532,000 in 1990. Over the same period, the approximate global lifetime risk of maternal death fell from 1 in 180 mothers to 1 in 73.


    But in the U.S., the rate of mothers dying in childbirth rose from 12 out of 100,000 births to 14 in the years from 1990 to 2015.


    By comparison, the same rate in Sweden, Switzerland, Spain, Norway, Italy, Iceland, Greece and Kuwait has remained below 10 in 100,000 births for the last 25 years. And Canada’s rate is about half that of the U.S.


    William Heisel, director of global engagement for the Ins ute of Health Metrics and Evaluation, an independent research center at the University of Washington, said several factors help to explain why the U.S. has more women dying in childbirth — including higher rates of obesity, diabetes and other conditions that can complicate pregnancies.


    “We don’t do as well as many high-income countries on a whole range of health outcomes,” said Heisel of the U.S rates.Underpinning the U.S. increase in the number of women dying in childbirth are the country’s racial disparities and health care gaps, studies have shown.

    Black women in the U.S. died in childbirth at a rate three times higher than white women in 2011, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    http://america.aljazeera.com/article...s-decline.html

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    COUNTRY COMPARISON :: INFANT MORTALITY RATE


    https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2091rank.html

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    Ohio GOP greasebag head: ‘Not sexist’ to call opponent ‘sweetie’ and tell her she belongs at home with kids




    head of the Cuyahoga County Republicans jumped to the defense of the state senate majority leader after he made condescending remarks about his GOP opponent, calling her “sweetie” and saying she shouldn’t be running for political office because she’s a young mother.

    Senate Majority Leader Tom Patton was blasted on Thursday after comments he made about fellow Republican Jennifer Herold,

    http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/ohio-gop-head-not-sexist-to-call-opponent-sweetie-and-tell-her-she-belongs-at-home-with-kids/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaig n=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story%29


    Repugs are just all-around nasty, misogynistic mofos, and their voters are, too, and stick with them all the way.
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    . The mother's health risk right is exactly as important as the unborn well-being.
    Yep. But that doesn't excuse the large majority of abortions.

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    Yep. But that doesn't excuse the large majority of abortions.
    what's your "excuse" for Repugs denying contraceptives, STD testing, cancer screening, perinatal care to poor women?

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    Yep. But that doesn't excuse the large majority of abortions.
    Why would it have to "excuse" anything? Whether abortion is good/bad, needs and excuse or not is a moral question, which is completely separate from the legal rights question.

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    Male Politicians Are Going to Keep Taxing Tampons as 'Luxury Items,'

    This week, legislators in Utah voted to reject a bill aimed at exempting tampons from taxation.

    Across the United States, tampons and other feminine hygiene products are being taxed as luxury items, an entirely appropriate idea when you consider what a luxury having your period is.

    This week, legislators in Utahcontinued to make feminine products part of the 1 percent by voting to reject a bill aimed at exempting tampons, sanitary napkins and other feminine products from taxation.

    http://www.alternet.org/gender/if-ma...l-tax-these-10

    Repugs cut taxes on the wealthy and BigCorp, while their misogynistic War on Women keeps taxes on vaginas.



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    These are the U.S. states that tax women for having periods




    http://fusion.net/story/142965/state...ns-period-tax/

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    Kentucky GOPers Advance Bill to Force Ultrasounds and Make Women Listen to Description of the Fetus

    The latest in the assault on women's right

    Republican state senators in Kentucky have advanced a bill that would force women seeking an abortion to first have an ultrasound.

    By a vote of 11 to 1, the Senate Veterans, Military Affairs and Public Protection Committee approved Senate Bill 152, which proponents say is necessary for women to have “informed consent” before going through with an abortion,

    it would require the doctor to describe the fetus to the woman. Under the bill, the description “shall include the dimensions of the embryo or fetus and the presence of external members and internal organs, if present and viewable.”

    Doctors who violated the proposed law would be fined $100,00 for their first offense, and $250,000 for each additional offense.

    http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-an...en-description

    You rightwingnuts really, really hate women, and LOVE VAGINA REGULATIONS.



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    Florida GOP to send women to dentists for reproductive care?

    But in Florida’s Republican-led state government, the story has taken an odd turn. Slate reported this week (thanks to my colleague Will Femia for the heads-up):

    Florida lawmakers may be hostile to comprehensive sex education, but they have no problem leaving reproductive health care to elementary school nurses’ offices.


    To back up anti-abortion omnibus bill HB 1411, which passed the state legislature earlier this month, conservative legislators have offered a list of places women can go for birth control, pap smears, and other reproductive services once Planned Parenthood is barred from taking Medicaid. That list includes dozens of elementary and middle schools, several dental practices, and at least one optometry center.

    This may sound like an odd joke, but it’s quite real.


    The point of the measure is for GOP policymakers in the state to defund Planned Parenthood, not because the group has done anything wrong, but because of the Republicans’ commitment to a culture-war agenda.

    As part of the effort, one of the legislation’s chief sponsors produced a lengthy list of health facilities that already exist in Florida that meet a technical definition of a qualified health center.


    You probably see where this is going. The Guardian reported, “As the bill heads to governor Rick Scott for his signature, several state lawmakers who have insisted that plentiful alternatives exist for reproductive and sexual healthcare have cited a list of health centers that includes dentists, optometrists, and elementary schools.”

    This, of course, proved critics’ point: sending women, especially those with limited financial means, to dentists, optometrists, and elementary schools for reproductive-health services is absurd.

    Salon’s Amanda Marcotte joked,

    “That’s right:
    If your local Planned Parenthood gets shut down and you need a Pap smear and a birth control prescription, Florida Republicans will literally send you to a dentist instead. With that level of ignorance about female biology, one has to wonder how any of them have managed to father any children.”

    Florida’s Republican governor is expected to sign the bill anyway.

    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-s...d=sm_fb_maddow



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    Texas Adds to the List of Unscientific Stuff Doctors Are Forced to Tell Abortion Patients

    the restrictions knocked down by the High Court ruling aren't the only provisions in Texas law that force abortion providers to do or say things that, according to medical experts, have little to no basis in actual scienceand medicine.

    Take, for instance, the information booklet that doctors are forced by law to give to women seeking abortion called “A Woman’s Right to Know.” Created in 2003 as part of the state’s so-called “informed consent” law, the pamphlet has come under fire by reproductive rights advocates, doctors and even state lawmakers who call it an error-filled vehicle of official state misinformation.

    And this month the Texas Department of State Health Services could add the list of unscientific info abortion providers are forced to give their patients.

    Currently up for review are tweaks to the booklet that would add mentions of so-called “fetal pain” and passages that, rather than using the typical medical language of fetus or embryo, talk to women about their “unborn child” and “your baby” when explaining gestation, even at as early as four weeks.


    http://www.sacurrent.com/the-daily/a...rtion-patients

    TX Christian Taliban to .


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    DAMN! Those Texas Fetus Funerals Are Gonna Cost A Non-Fetal Arm And Leg

    Via Texas Observer:

    If current prices are applied to the cremation of fetal tissue, the average would be around $2,000 per direct cremation or immediate burial, at a cost to Texas families of over $100 million, based on the number of abortions performed in 2014.

    Even the lowest charge from the Texas funeral survey would cost Texas families over $31 million.


    And that’s just for induced abortions — the total costs to Texans of cremating or burying the remains produced by spontaneous miscarriages that occur in health-care facilities is nearly unthinkable.

    It’s highly unlikely that clinics and hospitals will be able to field this cost themselves, and the cost will likely be passed onto the patient. Greg Abbott and friends likely find the idea of this simply delightful, assuming it will lead to far less abortions in the state due to only very rich people being able to afford them.

    http://wonkette.com/605135/damn-thos...al-arm-and-leg

    The Repug/Christian Sharia War on Poor (any color) Wimmen continues ...

    This kind of law already blocked in very nasty Indiana, and is in court in very nasty Louisiana.



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    Why it it so expensive to burn something? Defeats the purpose.

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    Why it it so expensive to burn something? Defeats the purpose.
    burying or burning is extremely expensive, has been a huge ripoff for many decades. "The Business of Dying" is very old book.

    My mother was in a refrigerated drawer for two nights (no bath, no TV, no room service, no mini-bar, no bed), $800/night.

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    DAMN! Those Texas Fetus Funerals Are Gonna Cost A Non-Fetal Arm And Leg

    Via Texas Observer:

    If current prices are applied to the cremation of fetal tissue, the average would be around $2,000 per direct cremation or immediate burial, at a cost to Texas families of over $100 million, based on the number of abortions performed in 2014.

    Even the lowest charge from the Texas funeral survey would cost Texas families over $31 million.


    And that’s just for induced abortions — the total costs to Texans of cremating or burying the remains produced by spontaneous miscarriages that occur in health-care facilities is nearly unthinkable.

    It’s highly unlikely that clinics and hospitals will be able to field this cost themselves, and the cost will likely be passed onto the patient. Greg Abbott and friends likely find the idea of this simply delightful, assuming it will lead to far less abortions in the state due to only very rich people being able to afford them.

    http://wonkette.com/605135/damn-thos...al-arm-and-leg

    The Repug/Christian Sharia War on Poor (any color) Wimmen continues ...

    This kind of law already blocked in very nasty Indiana, and is in court in very nasty Louisiana.


    That's bull . i work on crematory and pathological incinerators. They wouldn't have to fire up the big boy for a fetus. They could do it in a tiny on site unit for a few dollars. Lots of difference in cost incinerating a few ounces of tissue versus a 300# fatass.

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    That's bull . i work on crematory and pathological incinerators. They wouldn't have to fire up the big boy for a fetus. They could do it in a tiny on site unit for a few dollars. Lots of difference in cost incinerating a few ounces of tissue versus a 300# fatass.
    Well, they're clearly trying to pass this as the death of a human, which means there's no reason for providers of these services to really give you a discount.

    The whole thing is so re ed, tbh... what they should creamate and bury is social conservatism, which has been dead for a long time, but apparently some of these s haven't gotten the memo yet.

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    Federal Judge Guts Florida GOP’s Omnibus Anti-Choice Law

    A federal judge on Thursday permanently blocked two provisions of a Florida omnibus anti-choice law that banned Planned Parenthood from receiving state funds and required annual inspections of all clinics that provide abortion services,reported the Associated Press.

    U.S. District Judge Robert Hinkle issued an order in June to delay implementation of the law.


    “The Supreme Court has repeatedly said that a government cannot prohibit indirectly—by withholding otherwise-available public funds—conduct that the government could not cons utionally prohibit directly,” Hinkle wrote in the 25-page ruling.

    https://rewire.news/article/2016/08/...ality+Check%29



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    Government shouldn't pay for elective procedures.

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    Government shouldn't pay for elective procedures.
    planned parenthood's out is that gov funding doesn't go to abortions. The women need to go to abortion clinics to not kill their kids for some reason.

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    Government shouldn't pay for elective procedures.
    Fed law prevents Fed funds paying for abortions. This ruling says states can't defund abortion because it's legally protected.
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    The rate of Texas women who died from complications related to pregnancy doubled from 2010 to 2014, a new study has found, for an estimated maternal mortality rate that is unmatched in any other state and the rest of the developed world.

    The finding comes from a report, appearing in the September issue of the journal Obstetrics and Gynecology, that the maternal mortality rate in the United States increased between 2000 and 2014, even while the rest of the world succeeded in reducing its rate. Excluding California, where maternal mortality declined, and Texas, where it surged, the estimated number of maternal deaths per 100,000 births rose to 23.8 in 2014 from 18.8 in 2000 – or about 27%.

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    "Maternal deaths have indeed been increasing in Texas, members said, and African-American women are bearing the brunt of the crisis.

    For 2011 and 2012, black mothers accounted for 11.4 percent of Texas births but 28.8 percent of pregnancy-related deaths."

    https://www.propublica.org/article/a- e-in-rates-of-pregnancy-related-deaths-in-texas-spurs-soul-searching

    aka, The New Jim Crow in slave state TX run by Repug racists.



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    Meet The Anti-Abortion Activist Who Now Controls Texas Women’s Access To Reproductive Care




    A Media Guide To Carol Everett’s Most Misinformed Claims About Abortion, Contraception, Reproductive Health Care, And Sex Education

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    exas awarded anti-abortion activist Carol Everett, who runs a network of crisis pregnancy centers, the second largest contract in the state’s restructured reproductive safety net program.

    Everett has frequently appeared on a local Fox affiliate in Austin, as well as on a number of conservative media outlets, to push misinformation about abortion, contraception, and general reproductive health care.

    Here’s what the media should know about the anti-choice activist who now controls Texas women’s access to reproductive health care


    1. Everett Has Made Unproven Claims About Abortion Safety, Procedures, And Clinics
    A) EVERETT CLAIMED PROVIDERS PERFORM ABORTIONS ON WOMEN WHO ARE NOT PREGNANT

    B) EVERETT CLAIMED ABORTION CLINICS AND PROVIDERS MUST BE REGULATED TO AVOID SPREADING SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASES, HIV, AND EBOLA


    C) EVERETT PROMOTED THE MYTH THAT 20-WEEK BANS ARE NECESSARY TO AVOID SO-CALLED FETAL PAIN


    2. Everett Has Spread Misinformation About Contraception

    A) EVERETT CALLED EMERGENCY CONTRACEPTION A “DESTRUCTIVE DRUG” AND A “SOCIAL EXPERIMENT ON CHILDREN”



    B) EVERETT ALLEGED THAT ABORTION CLINICS INTENTIONALLY PROVIDE DEFECTIVE CONTRACEPTION


    3. Everett Has Pushed Extreme, Unfounded, And Anti-LGBT Myths About Sex And Sex Education
    A) EVERETT ARGUED THAT SEX EDUCATION RADICALIZES CHILDREN AND TEACHES THEM “PERVERSE BEHAVIOR”

    B) EVERETT CLAIMED THAT SEX WITH MULTIPLE PARTNERS “IS ALMOST LIKE RAPE”


    4. Everett Has Partnered With And Promoted Extreme Anti-Choice Groups

    A) EVERETT HAS PROMOTED DISCREDITED ALLEGATIONS FROM THE CENTER FOR MEDICAL PROGRESS (CMP)

    B) EVERETT HAS SERVED AS AN “INTEGRAL PARTNER” TO TROY NEWMAN’S OPERATION RESCUE


    5. Everett Has Made Misinformed Attacks On Planned Parenthood

    A) EVERETT ALLEGED PLANNED PARENTHOOD HAS “A WEBSITE THAT ACTUALLY ENCOURAGES SEX WITH ANIMALS”

    B) EVERETT PUSHED THE MYTH THAT PLANNED PARENTHOOD TARGETS BLACK COMMUNITIES


    http://mediamatters.org/research/201...+-+Research%29

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    Obama Moves To Protect Planned Parenthood Funding, Permanently

    His new rule would block states from defunding the family planning provider for frivolous reas

    WASHINGTON ― The Obama administration has proposed a new rule that would prevent states from defunding Planned Parenthood or any other family planning provider for political reasons.

    The new rule, which the Department of Health and Human Services proposed last week, says that

    states cannot withhold le X federal family planning money from certain recipients for any reason other than the provider’s “ability to deliver services to program beneficiaries in an effective manner.”

    That means states can no longer vote to defund Planned Parenthood because some of its clinics offer abortion services.

    “This will make a real difference in so many people’s lives,” said Cecile Richards, president of Planned Parenthood. “Thanks to the Obama administration, women will still be able to access the birth control they need to plan their families, and the cancer screenings they need to stay healthy.”


    The le X program provides basic preventive health care and family planning services for 4 million low-income Americans. About 85 percent of patients who use le X have incomes below $23,500. Planned Parenthood serves about a third of those patients, using the $70 million a year it receives in le X grants to subsidize contraceptives and cancer and sexually transmitted infection screenings for people who can’t afford them.

    le X does not allow any money to be used to pay for abortions for any reason.

    Still, politicians in 11 states have voted to block public funds from Planned Parenthood because its services include abortion.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b06a74c9f42f46



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