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Hussein did have those mass destruction weapons.not sure wtf you are talking about... you act like French are the sole responsible of Gaddafi death... Gaddafi was US number 1 public ennemy under Reagan administration, a bunch of countries wanted him dead for good and bad reasons btw...
only your stuff about let dictators do the they want if they don't bother you trumps your French should blame their government for ISIS
Kadafi was involved in some plane crash in 80`s. After that he wasnt interfering with west countries, up to the moment when he wanted to be paid in gold rather than US Dollars or Euros for his oil.
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France was basically the jihadists Air Force in Libya:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_m...ntion_in_Libya
2011 Military Intervention in Syria
The effort was initially largely led by France and the United Kingdom, with command shared with the United States. NATO took control of the arms embargo on 23 March, named Operation Unified Protector.
10 March 2011: France recognized the Libyan NTC as the legitimate government of Libya soon after Sarkozy met with them in Paris.
15 March 2011: A resolution for a no-fly zone was proposed by Nawaf Salam, Lebanon's Ambassador to the UN. The resolution was immediately backed by France
France and the UK were early supporters of a no-fly zone and had sufficient airpower to impose a no-fly zone over the rebel-held areas, although they might need additional assistance for a more extensive exclusion zone.
French Air Force, which flew the highest percentage of NATO's strikes (35%)
The taking down of Gadaffi created ISIS in Libya. Then Western powers allowed the shipment of jihadidsts and weapons to their new war in Syria. ISIS grew exponentially in Syria and Iraq.
How is that not the main cause of the Paris attacks???
thanks for confirming that France is far from being the sole responsible of Gaddafi fall, you also have no idea of what would have happened if dictature stayed in place in Lybia. ISIS origin is a bit more complex than saying Gaddafi taking down created ISIS
Gaddafi before being taken down was in the mass murder and terrorism business too... his mass murdering and terrorism were cleaner than ISIS ? Before ISIS, Al Quaeda attacked France, I guess it was also at that time deserved and French government was responsible for Al Quaeda too ? smh...
I never said they were the sole responsible tbh
I said they were the main responsible.
if Gadaffi would have stayed there would be no ISIS. it originated there tbh
another one that lives asleep. wake up ppl. nothing will change if you dont wake up.
Hater dropping nukes.
I dare you to explain the debate because they aren't really arguing. Hater is Saying the French knew what was coming. He's correct. Brazil says Grace didn't deserve to be attacked. That is also correct. They don't disagree on much.
You assume a lot when in fact you have no clue
France is the most pro arab western country historically against Israel, France refused to participate to Irak war... this does not prevent France from being attacked. These terrorists don't give a if you declare them war or not, they hate western culture as a whole... nobody is safe no matter what government position is.
What's your solution tbh ? let them do the they want, let them invade all arab countries, let all dictators alone ?
pretty much
The jihadi mercenary invaders are mainly funded by NATO member Turkey and NATO ally Saudi. That's the thing, you got it all wrong. NATO and the West have supported, armed and funded these jihadi mercenaries.
There is nothing to assume, if France and the rest of the West would stop arming, and financing these mercenaries and toppling governments, all would be better. I am 100% sure of it.
you claim to say these groups always existed, but its absolutely not true. ISIS did not exist before Lybia and Al Qaeda did not exist before Afghanistan.
Hater should stick to world politics instead of bball. Hes actually well informed. The average dumbass westerners dont even know these attacks are revenge and retribution attacks from a previous bombing that the west did.
Heck many people dont even know a russian airliner was downed in egypt.
"President François Hollande confirmed in a Le Monde interview on August 19 that France has been directly supplying arms to the “rebels” of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) in its proxy war to remove the regime of President Bashar al-Assad."\
According to Le Monde, it provided weapons including 12.7-mm machine guns, rocket launchers, body armour and communications equipment—but “ nothing”, according to a Le Monde source, “which ‘could have been turned against us’ such as explosives”.
In his Le Monde interview, Hollande underlined France’s determination to intervene in Syria, remarking: “We must not relax the support that we have granted to the rebels, who are the only ones participating [in the war] with democratic intentions.”
This French pro-war hysteria reflects the deeply cynical policies of its reactionary affluent middle class base, which supports French imperialism’s drive to re-colonise Syria but wants to falsely posture as critics of the Hollande government to disorient working class opposition. It may be safely assumed that, whatever tactical objections they make to the course of French war policy, they will continue to support the escalating intervention in Syria.
its this kind of that causes havoc in the ME and strengthens the monster that is ISIS and AlQaeda. I am 100% sure if you stop this kind of behaviour from France and others, things would be better.
By population maybe, but not by government. I know a lot of french people have muzzie friends and thats expected since its a rapidly growing religion there plus tons of africans. I mean one glance at the lique 1 and you can see the the demographics.
That doesnt mean France isnt partly responsible. Their bombing have caused 10k civilians dead. Not 150..thousands. if you think the west care about the civilians, think again.
big difference between partly responsible and mostly responsible as hater is claiming.
They need to continue doing this if they want to stay in power. ISIS is actually against the Gulf leaders...Sure they get funding there but its mostly from private donors...im sure the west would hate to see the Sauds collapse so they need to arm rebels to fight ISIS...but its a failed approach. Whats happening is that the funding isnjust making ISIS grow. ISIS basically just steals their weapon.
They are going to continue growing. And they show no mercy. Kill one of their own, and they will kill one of your own..retribution. idiots make it sound like the attacks was just so they want to conquor europe. It was a direct response from a bombing that led to civilians being killed
Well they did launch air raid. My comment about being partly responsible is because the main culprit is America the capitalist...and everyone else involved is partly responsible...Saudi, Lebanon, Russia, America, France..etc..save for the US, every one of theae countries have suffered gruesome bombings.
You are mixing up a bunch of non sense to make an argument like usual...
Germany hosts as many as Muslims than France, there are already 3 M muslims in US... like having muslims is a French specialty
Another legend, jihadi mercenaries funded by NATO and oil monarchies...
Daesh main revenues are coming from oil, human traffic, the reserve of Mossul, art traffic, private funders not by the CIA... They don't depend on small financing now, it has been a long time since they don't depend anymore on Nato arming or financing.
Specifically ISIS is a new word, people and ideology behind are there for decades and well before Lybia
No one is saying this guys deserves this and that. Obviously we all want peace but I'm pointing why the attack happened. Last year Saudi Arabia was attacked and bombed by ISIS repeadlty after an aerial assault. Paris is getting the same treatment.You are mixing up a bunch of non sense to make an argument like usual...
Germany hosts as many as Muslims than France, there are already 3 M muslims in US... like having muslims is a French specialty
You need to comprehend my post. That was a direct response to your claim that france is pro-arab. Of course there are going to be certain times when france has to show pro-arab setiments...they have alot of muslims in their land. Its politics.
These are just factual and basic common sense. France already knew ISIS gameplan. Spill a blood of theirs and they will killl your civilian. They did this already a year ago in Saudi.
Knowing this, they should have abandoned any verbal aerial support against ISIS and instead focus those funds on security and I ill let you handle your own problem mentality.
But they continue to support the sunni rebels who are also fighting ISIS...so long as the west conitune supporting one of ISIS main enemy (rebels), in ISIS mind the west are major enemies..
You are acting like we have a choice... there is no other way around, Western Countries have to defeat ISIS.
My point is that you are naive if you believe a country can be safe by just not taking part of anything... for Western Countries it's too late, as you said we are the ennemies, it takes a hand of people to make civilians dead in a capital. Cells are autonomous and will act... IIRC Australia has been the theatre of a terrorist attack, I don't remember Australian bombing ISIS in Lybia
when ISIS was being formed these were their funders:
in the years they were getting started, a key component of ISIS’s support came from wealthy individuals in the Arab Gulf States of Kuwait, Qatar and Saudi Arabia.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ding-isis.html
“Everybody knows the money is going through Kuwait and that it’s coming from the Arab Gulf,” said Andrew Tabler, senior fellow at the Washington Ins ute for Near East Policy. “Kuwait’s banking system and its money changers have long been a huge problem because they are a major conduit for money to extremist groups in Syria and now Iraq.”
Arab states still pour hundreds of millions to the many factions in Syria, many of these factions eventually join ISIS either peacefully or by force. It's a logical fact to say Arab states fund ISIS.
To reach Syria, Libyan fighters must cross the Mediterranean Sea and enter via Turkey, or cross Egypt, Israel, and enter via Jordan. The government of Syria has threatened Libya in no conceivable manner, making Libya's campaign an intolerable act of military aggression. Worst of all, the NATO-installed government in Tripoli has officially approved of supporting military operations in distant Syria.
in other words France and rest of NATO are supporting a foreign invasion of mercenaries and jihadists to Syria....
On Wednesday, CNN’s crew met a Libyan fighter who had crossed into Syria from Turkey with four other Libyans. The fighter wore full camouflage and was carrying a Kalashnikov rifle. He said more Libyan fighters were on the way.
The foreign fighters, some of them are clearly drawn because they see this as … a jihad. So this is a magnet for jihadists who see this as a fight for Sunni Muslims.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/20...ing-syria.html
The New York Times admitted in June 2012 in their article, "C.I.A. Said to Aid in Steering Arms to Syrian Opposition," that "CIA officers are operating secretly in southern Turkey," and directing weapons including, "automatic rifles, rocket-propelled grenades, ammunition and some an ank weapons." The NYT implicates Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar as the primary underwriters for the weapons while the CIA coordinates the logistics.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/20...ing-syria.html
Well western countries created the chaos. All these militant groups are a direct result of continuous intervention. Playing victim here is just stupid. All of these militants are a direct result of poverty and hate. Regardlesd of religion, any occupied region will have rebels fighting occupier. Australia have been a major financial force against ISIS..they have been huge supporters of Sunni rebels and kurds fighting ISIS. You are delusional and stupid if these attacks is a muslim plan to control the whole world. Many people think like that but many people are ignorant. These terrorist you call never existed at this level pre Iraq war. Heck the Sahah of Iran that was disposed of by a revolution that was partly supported by the west was an ally of Saudi Arabia...The middle east was actually stable.
More intervention the better for ISIS as it makes their messgae us against them even more bigger. They will eat up all the sunni rebels that is fighting them. And if the kurds start to feel like the west is actually an enemy of Islam, they might even let them eat kurdistan.
Ive spoken to so many westerners that actually think kurds arent muslims..
It shows the huge ignorance people have on this issue.
You are disturbing tbh... what do you imply with your posts ? You are saying let them prosper ? do not interfe and it's gonna be ok ?Well western countries created the chaos. All these militant groups are a direct result of continuous intervention. Playing victim here is just stupid. All of these militants are a direct result of poverty and hate. Regardlesd of religion, any occupied region will have rebels fighting occupier. Australia have been a major financial force against ISIS..they have been huge supporters of Sunni rebels and kurds fighting ISIS. You are delusional and stupid if these attacks is a muslim plan to control the whole world. Many people think like that but many people are ignorant. These terrorist you call never existed at this level pre Iraq war. Heck the Sahah of Iran that was disposed of by a revolution that was partly supported by the west was an ally of Saudi Arabia...The middle east was actually stable.
More intervention the better for ISIS as it makes their messgae us against them even more bigger. They will eat up all the sunni rebels that is fighting them. And if the kurds start to feel like the west is actually an enemy of Islam, they might even let them eat kurdistan.
Ive spoken to so many westerners that actually think kurds arent muslims..
It shows the huge ignorance people have on this issue.
Why they are here, who funded them, who is the biggest culprit: France to take down Gaddafi, US starting a war, the creation of Israel, Russian in Afganhistan etc etc... is nice for discussing back and forth during a diner but it is not gonna solve the problem we have today. They have to be taken down, there is no alternative to that.
Also sorry but your middle east was actually stable is false, middle east has always been a mess since Israel creation
Again irrelevant to today's discussion, they had to get somne funding at one point for sure... now they don't depend of that anymore
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