French Spurs fans...

[hater]

who is arguing where their funding comes from now? Their initial funding came from Arab states, that's how they were formed.

much of their funding still does. (although you are right on the other sources)

still doesn't take from my statements that the toppling of Assad by France and Nato + funding from Arabs = ISIS

[apalisoc_9]

You are disturbing tbh... what do you imply with your posts ? You are saying let them prosper ? do not interfe and it's gonna be ok ?

Why they are here, who funded them, who is the biggest culprit: France to take down Gaddafi, US starting a war, the creation of Israel, Russian in Afganhistan etc etc... is nice for discussing back and forth during a diner but it is not gonna solve the problem we have today. They have to be taken down, there is no alternative to that.

Also sorry but your middle east was actually stable is false, middle east has always been a mess since Israel creation

You are not getting it are you? Interference will make them prosper. ISIS is notna country its a way of thinking..So long as there are muslims outnthere who think they are opporesed it wont die out

Israel creation is a direct west intervention. ..thats when all this started...You dont take lands and tell people to gtfo and let these european jew live here of cours thats going to create a mess.

There were no ISIS in the 70's tbh

Continous intervention has allowed these organizations to grow. Thats what you cant seem to understand. ISIS thrives when they are at war.

[hater]

You are not getting it are you? Interference will make them prosper. ISIS is notna country its a way of thinking..So long as there are muslims outnthere who think they are opporesed it wont die out

There were no ISIS in the 70's tbh

boom. truth nukes

as long as there are billionaires in Saudi/Kuwait/Qatar, ISIS (or whatever name they change to soon) will exist

and as long as France/US/NATO keeps toppling regimes, ISIS will grow

[BatManu20]

[apalisoc_9]

who is arguing where their funding comes from now? Their initial funding came from Arab states, that's how they were formed.

much of their funding still does. (although you are right on the other sources)

still doesn't take from my statements that the toppling of Assad by France and Nato + funding from Arabs = ISIS

This is why ISIS is going to be impossible to stop because the west has zero balls to call out saudi arabia and other gulf countries.

The private civilians are funding ISIS. The west and the arab states themselves fund rebels that fight ISIS who in turn lose and lose their weapon.

On one end, ISIS is going old school here. Fear Propaganda, win and get weapons..and on the other end, they are strategically trying to make the west provide more weapons to their enemies so they can steal them.

A bulk of their arsenal is western made

This isnt Al-Qeada. Alqaeda and ISIS are actually mortal enemies but the former has been complelety reduced to a small group. ISIS is sophisticated and their Goals far exceed what Al-Qaeda is trying to accomplish.

Boots on land will make ISIS even stronger. More weapon support to those "moderate" sunnis will just give ISIS more ammunation...

This is a problem that will be almost impossible to stop

[hater]

The main reason US/France and NATO let Saudi do as they please is they view Iran as the great er enemy. Iran+Iraq+Syria = a pretty mighty Persian empire that could twart US puppet Saudi. they could eventually possibly take over the entire peninsula along with Shiite Yemen's help. Saudi would basically be overun.

funny thing is that the main reason why Iraq joined Iran alliance and tipped the blalance is Bush Jr taking out Saddam

idiots over at the Pentagon and Langley monkeys that don't know what the they are doing

[apalisoc_9]

boom. truth nukes

as long as there are billionaires in Saudi/Kuwait/Qatar, ISIS (or whatever name they change to soon) will exist

and as long as France/US/NATO keeps toppling regimes, ISIS will grow

Its almot more complex than just saudi and qataris...Saudis and the Gulf are against ISIS but they are too pussy to fight so they resort to their rebel proxies who no shot against ISIS. But private donors are for sure giving money to isis...the thing is even saudi monarchs have different opinion on this matter. Some are funding ISIS some are fighting ISIS..the end though almost always benefits ISIS.

The west and the gulf have to realize, they are not winning using proxies and unconvential methods against the masters of unconventional methods.

[apalisoc_9]

The main reason US/France and NATO let Saudi do as they please is they view Iran as the great er enemy. Iran+Iraq+Syria = a pretty mighty Persian empire that could twart US puppet Saudi.

funny thing is that the main reason why Iraq joined Iran alliance and tipped the blalance is Bush Jr taking out Saddam

idiots they don't know what the they are doing

I think a clear shift is happening. The nuclear deal with Iran IMO was an indirect admitance that isis is gaining a lot of power..somewhere down the road Iran-Israel-SA will have to work together to maintain their status if they are not already doing so in private

[hater]

Saudi and Iran are mortal enemies tbh. So are Israel and Iran

I think US just doesn't see the threat from Iran like Israel/Saudi view it. Iran has a pretty mediocre army. Their generals are getting slaughtered in Syria as we speak. Iran is a joke basically and US knows it. Israel/Saudi make it seem Iran is almighty just because they are extremists states that crave for power.

Also, Israel has nothing to fear, they have a mighty powerful army. On the other hand Saudi has a laughable army, they are probably geniunely scared their expensive army is currently getting knowere vs people carrying sticks and stones in Yemen

[apalisoc_9]

Lets put it this way, ISIS is like that shiity team that likes to park the bus because they are not talented. Attack and they might score on a counter, defend and you are making them win.

They are for sure beatable but they have a strategic plan that could pose major problems regardless of how you want to approach them.

[apalisoc_9]

Saudi and Iran are mortal enemies tbh. So are Israel and Iran

I think US just doesn't see the threat from Iran like Israel/Saudi view it. Iran has a pretty mediocre army. Their generals are getting slaughtered in Syria as we speak. Iran is a joke basically and US knows it. Israel/Saudi make it seem Iran is almighty just because they are extremists states that crave for power.

Also, Israel has nothing to fear, they have a mighty powerful army. On the other hand Saudi has a laughable army, they are probably geniunely scared their expensive army is currently getting knowere vs people carrying sticks and stones in Yemen

For now they are mortal enemis. But if history has thought me a lesson, enemies become friends when a greater enemy is on the horizon...I am refering to ISIS..if ISIS gains enough power..they might have to reconsider their mortal enemy status.

As of now they one thing in common, Saudi monarchs are giving money to rebels to fight ISIS. Iran is supporting Assad to fight ISIS and the rebels. For sure you are right there is many saudis fund ISIS, but these are mostly rich non royals who hate the monarchs.

[Brazil]

You are not getting it are you? Interference will make them prosper. ISIS is notna country its a way of thinking..So long as there are muslims outnthere who think they are opporesed it wont die out

Israel creation is a direct west intervention. ..thats when all this started...You dont take lands and tell people to gtfo and let these european jew live here of cours thats going to create a mess.

There were no ISIS in the 70's tbh

Continous intervention has allowed these organizations to grow. Thats what you cant seem to understand. ISIS thrives when they are at war.

dude... really ?

That's what I am saying, all that started with Israel creation 70 years ago! creation directly encouraged by Western Countries, thanks for admiting the region was never stable since then contrary to your statement of region was stable after taking down Sahha of Iran.

Now you are cute about dodging the question... what are you implying ? we stop all intervention and let them flourish alone ? that's your brilliant idea tbh ?

[apalisoc_9]

You know who has not shown a direct hate towards ISIS? Israel

They are benefitting big time with the confusion is making...not to mention they might start land grabbing again in palestine and syria and your typical western idiot would cheer for it.

[Brazil]

For now they are mortal enemis. But if history has thought me a lesson, enemies become friends when a greater enemy is on the horizon...I am refering to ISIS..if ISIS gains enough power..they might have to reconsider their mortal enemy status.

As of now they one thing in common, Saudi monarchs are giving money to rebels to fight ISIS. Iran is supporting Assad to fight ISIS and the rebels. For sure you are right there is many saudis fund ISIS, but these are mostly rich non royals who hate the monarchs.

and again those funds are small stuff compared to their actual financing... and btw the real strategic country in this story is Turkey, most of ISIS traffics and money are coming from Turkish borders, they don't do to stop it and refuse to open their military basis... I doubt they can continue to joke around with US and Europe tbh

[apalisoc_9]

dude... really ?

That's what I am saying, all that started with Israel creation 70 years ago! creation directly encouraged by Western Countries, thanks for admiting the region was never stable since then contrary to your statement of region was stable after taking down Sahha of Iran.

Now you are cute about dodging the question... what are you implying ? we stop all intervention and let them flourish alone ? that's your brilliant idea tbh ?

Idiot israel was created in the 40s..the west was a more brutal place than the ME before that with this capitalism vs communism bs...Genocide was actually happening in Europe.

No. ISIS has shown how weak they can be when there is no action going around. When there is a short stint of peace the rebels that the west support gain ground. When ISIS is agitated, and war is there...they conquor.

Terrorism was never a problem until the west made it...thanks to the iraq war, ME governments are falling one by one..If Saudi Arabia gets into war and gets manhandled by ISIS, its not going to be pretty. They have so many weapons and advanced but they are cowards. I expect them to fold against ISIS..

This is why the west is so keen on protecting Saudi Arabia..Saudi is basically their king in the middle east chess game.

[apalisoc_9]

and again those funds are small stuff compared to their actual financing... and btw the real strategic country in this story is Turkey, most of ISIS traffics and money are coming from Turkish borders, they don't do to stop it and refuse to open their military basis... I doubt they can continue to joke around with US and Europe tbh

Turkey already has the kurds to deal with. Cant you see the big picture brazil? ISIS is trying to force the west to make boots intervention and create their Muslims vs Them war. If that happens, they will eat up the sunni rebels that is fighting them and they might end up getting kurdistan..The Kurds are actually mostly muslims. If they get their version of Armagedon whomis to say they be able to unite the people they are fighting with?

These guys are strategic..and clearly have bigger hopes. Alqaeda which the west never really beat is like a minnow compared to ISIS..the west will fall into their trap if they decide to intervene with boots

[Brazil]

Idiot israel was created in the 40s..the west was a more brutal place than the ME before that with this capitalism vs communism bs...Genocide was actually happening in Europe.

I know when Israel was created dummy... 70 years ago... not sure where you are going with your west was more brutal... again so what ? ME has been destabilized since this creation, ME was never stable again after that

No. ISIS has shown how weak they can be when there is no action going around. When there is a short stint of peace the rebels that the west support gain ground. When ISIS is agitated, and war is there...they conquor.

Terrorism was never a problem until the west made it...thanks to the iraq war, ME governments are falling one by one..If Saudi Arabia gets into war and gets manhandled by ISIS, its not going to be pretty. They have so many weapons and advanced but they are cowards. I expect them to fold against ISIS..

This is why the west is so keen on protecting Saudi Arabia..Saudi is basically their king in the middle east chess game.

When did Isis show how weak they are when there is no action round ? you are speaking out of ass as usual or you have something to back up this odd statement ?

If Saudi Arabia goes alone ya thats not gonna be pretty but it won't happen. I'm still waiting for your solution tho... give ISIS a peace and let the rebels fight and gain ground ? that's the plan ? ... ok

[apalisoc_9]

And while turkey is a liberal muslim country..they would never go on a full blown war against ISIS. If you havent noticed yet, Turkey is trying to position themsleves again as a potential islmic leader since erdogans came to power late 90's and while the majority of turks despite the fact that majority of them are liberal still have proisliamc sentiments.

They wont fight ISIS. Turkey will let others handle ISIS.

[Brazil]

Turkey already has the kurds to deal with. Cant you see the big picture brazil? ISIS is trying to force the west to make boots intervention and create their Muslims vs Them war. If that happens, they will eat up the sunni rebels that is fighting them and they might end up getting kurdistan..The Kurds are actually mostly muslims. If they get their version of Armagedon whomis to say they be able to unite the people they are fighting with?

These guys are strategic..and clearly have bigger hopes. Alqaeda which the west never really beat is like a minnow compared to ISIS..the west will fall into their trap if they decide to intervene with boots

Turkey has the kurds to deal with but will have some ISIS trouble soon enough plus uncle sam and Europe on their back, they will have to take a position sooner or later... they are pretty much ed... they cannot go ISIS so they will support West but that will piss off its radicalists... they don't have much of a choice imo.

Of course ISIS want Western enter in an Afganhistan kind of conflict that's why NATO does not want to make a boots intervention and air strike.

So far western strategy is air strikes and try to make ISIS run out of ressources and chase leaders down one by one. We should also support rebels fighting them but yeah in 20 years, a great spirit like hater will explain the next new terrorist group came from Western Countries financing them during their war against ISIS

[Brazil]

And while turkey is a liberal muslim country..they would never go on a full blown war against ISIS. If you havent noticed yet, Turkey is trying to position themsleves again as a potential islmic leader since erdogans came to power late 90's and while the majority of turks despite the fact that majority of them are liberal still have proisliamc sentiments.

They wont fight ISIS. Turkey will let others handle ISIS.

absolutely... that's why they are ed... they have to help stopping contraband and protect borders, help NATO and still try to sell the idea they are neutral

pretty much the recipe of a disaster

[Mal]

and ?

You are being ignorant, I wont continue

[K...]

Hater should stick to world politics instead of bball. Hes actually well informed. The average dumbass westerners dont even know these attacks are revenge and retribution attacks from a previous bombing that the west did.

Heck many people dont even know a russian airliner was downed in egypt.

Wait did you just admit you know the jihadis personally? What's the number for canada homeland defense? Lmao apo the Muslim apologist.


So according to the apo doctrine, we should never stop genocide in other countries if those genocides have threatened to hit back

[apalisoc_9]

I know when Israel was created dummy... 70 years ago... not sure where you are going with your west was more brutal... again so what ? ME has been destabilized since this creation, ME was never stable again after that



When did Isis show how weak they are when there is no action round ? you are speaking out of ass as usual or you have something to back up this odd statement ?

If Saudi Arabia goes alone ya thats not gonna be pretty but it won't happen. I'm still waiting for your solution tho... give ISIS a peace and let the rebels fight and gain ground ? that's the plan ? ... ok

Just look at Iraq...its basic common sense brazil. The more war there is the more muslims youths.are going to be prone to radicalization. Its common sense.

Yeah, let the rebels fight it out. Rebels are getting minimal local support right now even though many muslims hate isis because the rebels are gettind aid from the west. You need to understand Islamic idelogy here. Instead of getting these youth to fight ISIS and Assad, they are fighting for ISIS because ISIS is the one thats not getting any help from the west. The rebels actually made major wins before the shift of jihadist..Inseatd of getting jihadist fighting Assad, and joining the rebels, they are now joining ISIS. The Gulf is enough to.support the rebels to a win, but as it stands..jihadist are now fighting for ISIS...previously all the influx of jihadist fought assad.

[K...]

Turkey already has the kurds to deal with. Cant you see the big picture brazil? ISIS is trying to force the west to make boots intervention and create their Muslims vs Them war. If that happens, they will eat up the sunni rebels that is fighting them and they might end up getting kurdistan..The Kurds are actually mostly muslims. If they get their version of Armagedon whomis to say they be able to unite the people they are fighting with?

These guys are strategic..and clearly have bigger hopes. Alqaeda which the west never really beat is like a minnow compared to ISIS..the west will fall into their trap if they decide to intervene with boots

This post here is nonsense

[K...]

Just look at Iraq...its basic common sense brazil. The more war there is the more muslims youths.are going to be prone to radicalization. Its common sense.

Yeah, let the rebels fight it out. Rebels are getting minimal local support right now even though many muslims hate isis because the rebels are gettind aid from the west. You need to understand Islamic idelogy here. Instead of getting these youth to fight ISIS and Assad, they are fighting for ISIS because ISIS is the one thats not getting any help from the west. The rebels actually made major wins before the shift of jihadist..Inseatd of getting jihadist fighting Assad, and joining the rebels, they are now joining ISIS. The Gulf is enough to.support the rebels to a win, but as it stands..jihadist are now fighting for ISIS...previously all the influx of jihadist fought assad.

This post is also nonsense. You are typing too fast. Obv this animates you