French Spurs fans...

[apalisoc_9]

This post here is nonsense

Dont quote me. You are by far the most average typical american idiot..Im talking to brazil here...he.actually has good knolwedge about the subject just a faulty understanding

[apalisoc_9]

Wait did you just admit you know the jihadis personally? What's the number for canada homeland defense? Lmao apo the Muslim apologist.


So according to the apo doctrine, we should never stop genocide in other countries if those genocides have threatened to hit back

You are so dumb. ISIS made it public they are respondingntonthe death of their commrade. I DONT KNOW ISIS and i am against their ruthless ways. Please stop quoting me. Im actually talking to hater and brazil they know their stuff

[Brazil]

You are being ignorant, I wont continue

who the are you tbh ? some nazist dude buddy with infinite limit ?

all Polish are like that or ST is lucky enough to have the two unique specimen ?

[apalisoc_9]

absolutely... that's why they are ed... they have to help stopping contraband and protect borders, help NATO and still try to sell the idea they are neutral

pretty much the recipe of a disaster

I agree. Turkey will have to make a stand. They obviously love Muslims so.a war on a muslim land will be a tough choice. Im predicting they will go the coward way and not.do anything.

[apalisoc_9]

I suspect Saudi Arabia will do the same thing. In the end, the cycle will continue because the West needs complete commitment from Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Iran who i think are never going to be committed.

[Brazil]

Just look at Iraq...its basic common sense brazil. The more war there is the more muslims youths.are going to be prone to radicalization. Its common sense.

Yeah, let the rebels fight it out. Rebels are getting minimal local support right now even though many muslims hate isis because the rebels are gettind aid from the west. You need to understand Islamic idelogy here. Instead of getting these youth to fight ISIS and Assad, they are fighting for ISIS because ISIS is the one thats not getting any help from the west. The rebels actually made major wins before the shift of jihadist..Inseatd of getting jihadist fighting Assad, and joining the rebels, they are now joining ISIS. The Gulf is enough to.support the rebels to a win, but as it stands..jihadist are now fighting for ISIS...previously all the influx of jihadist fought assad.

Rebels are not organized neither equipped enough to stand against an organization of this side... they won't go anywhere without a massive support of the West through air strike, money, equipments... I share your idea tho that making a boots intervention would fail imo but we cannot wait decades till rebels take down ISIS... The mess is already on European borders.

Good or Bad Russia, US, Europe will have to ally with Iran and Turkey and Hassad to get through that...

[hater]

Brazil has great Tony Parker takes. But very average foreign policy takes.

What is this bull that ISIS gets most of its funding from its oil, drugs/human trafficking?? Do you have links/evidence to ISIS book keeping? Not fully disagreeing but I would like to see your sources where you base your logic that Arabian money is little compared to their oil revenues...

We do know hundreds of millions are being poured on all Syrian rebel groups as well as thousands of tons of armament. ISIS gets a big piece of that cake.

Let's not pretent ISIS is paying for all its effort on its own. that's bull . otherwise show proof

[hater]

Antalya, Turkey – Russian President Vladimir Putin has announced that he has shared intelligence with the other G20 member states, which reveals the 40 countries from which ISIS finances the majority of their terrorist activities. The list reportedly included a number of G20 countries.
Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/put...eo7eZckpWIT.99

[K...]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...-ivzerprmxCcaw

[hater]

Yes I know that. But Arab states pour hundreds of millions a month to anyone who'll fight Asssad

[Mal]

who the are you tbh ? some nazist dude buddy with infinite limit ?

all Polish are like that or ST is lucky enough to have the two unique specimen ?

I call you ignorant, for keeping asking unimportant question, you call me nazi. I dont care. Nazi, rasists are being used so often, so wrongly, that I couldnt care less.

I`ll keep writing on ignorant part. France goverment have all the means, all the power to deal with any islamic fundementalists. They didnt fall from the sky, somebody paid them, somebody trained them, they are living in society. Some of them were born in France and Belgium, right under your supervision. But french goverment, french people are ignorant on that matter. If someone speaks, that he is afraid of jihadists, radical muslims, fundamentalists, he is called as nazi, intolerant. I still can`t undestand how it is possible that hashtags, silent march or highlighting building in french colours are still being considered the solution ? Random bombing ISIS also isnt the solution. Terrorist nests are possibly spread across whole Europe, when there is a bigger muslim community. You can`t set an organisation without some structures that are hidden in communities.

And to be clear, France, french people didn`t deserve that. No one does. Saying that is wrong, I hope I didn`t wrote it here in emotions. But again, France wasn`t being chosen to be attacked randomly, attacks could have been prevented, even not by leaving Kadafi in Libya. Authorities could have follow the money, monitor communication. They have the means to do that. You can see how quickly they`ve got everything figured out. They even taken down other groups planning more attacks.

Young muslim people did not have to go to school, get an eduction, get a job, buy a house. Everything is being given to them in social benefits. They have time, money and some morons saying things about killing infidel to radicalize. Uneducated people tends to follow whatever they are being repeatedly said.

And I am writing here on freaking sports forum about that matter, because I want to know what are opinions from foreign people on such important matter. I have no other place to do this, and since there is a discussion. I don`t want any muslim in my country, for sake of peace and harmless living.

[DMC]

How can "reason" exist if no absolute truth exists (keep in mind I'm speaking of truth, not facts)? "Rationality" and "reason" are just as arbitrary as religion with regard to morality since, as Hume taught us, you cannot derive an ought from an is. There's no absolute truth to morally anchor ourselves to, so how can you truly build a rational moral foundation? Even that hack Sam Harris realizes this conundrum and wrote an awful book (which was destroyed in review by philosophers who actually know what they're doing) trying to reconcile science with morality.

In the pragmatic sense, religion and faith are a perfectly rational response to the seemingly senseless and purposeless state of the universe and reality at large. There are many facets of the human condition that science and "reason" can never, ever make sense of nor "satisfy" existentially. You'll likely say, "They need to stop being so weak minded and face that cruel "truth" head on, like us enlightened atheists do." If that's your feeling, then who is the irrational and dogmatic one in this case?

And what's all this talk about eschatology? Which Christian leaders are launching nuclear weapons in an effort to bring about Armageddon and thus the Final Judgement? I don't see the Saudis, who are in love with their soccer, exotic cars, and lavish lifestyles, planning or doing any such thing? , the Cold War was the perfect setting for an Apocalypse. The Christian West vs. The Atheist Soviet Union and their allies. I didn't see a Catholic JFK launching anything toward Moscow. It's always the fringe, and to generalize a whole from a very, very, tiny part is an irrational move.

God even explicitly commands not to kill with Jesus commanding to, "Love Thy Enemy." So if Christians defy those laws, it's not religion's fault, it's human fault.

And if religion "dies out," it'll just be replaced by an ideology that "appeals to science" and purports itself to be rational. Again, look how many evil deeds were done by "scientists" trying to "improve" the human race through eugenic programs. And that mindset still persists very strongly to this day.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Race_realism

Don't mistake me for demonizing science. Point is, ANYTHING can be turned into an ideology, because like I said, we unfortunately have this innate need to feel superior to the "other." Germany has long been a center of scientific and philosophical innovation, and look how easily their populace was duped since Hitler and Co. knew how to emotionally manipulate the populace by appealing to race.

When I said "works," I was referring to examples of ins utions like science, religion, culture prompting human flourishing. "War" and "murder" are also not created equal, since there are such things as a just war (not in the religious sense, but for self defense/fighting evil) and justifiable homicide. Aside from that, though, I would argue that war and murder do not "work," since the logical conclusion of both is extinction or at the very least living in a world that is extremely harsh and unpleasant (though, that is relative, since there are no doubt a segment of people intrigued by a might makes right world).

lol no again.

God told Abraham to kill his own child, and Abraham was about to disembowel the little bas because he has faith! That's good, right? Disemboweling your kid is a good thing if you think God told you to.

Love thy enemy, yet God killed everyone on the planet except a white guy and his kids..oh and two of every single animal on the entire planet. None of these people were a threat to God, who created them in his image, imperfect as they are. Oh but don't kill.

You know what else God commands? Do not paint his picture, or have any other god before him. That's right up there with murder. Also, don't work on the Sabbath. That's punishable by death.

Don't get all flower child on me and forget the rest of the book.

Nothing you said gets religion a get out of jail free card.

I'm not even sure you believe half the you just posted.

lol philosophers who "know what they're doing". lol

[apalisoc_9]

I call you ignorant, for keeping asking unimportant question, you call me nazi. I dont care. Nazi, rasists are being used so often, so wrongly, that I couldnt care less.

I`ll keep writing on ignorant part. France goverment have all the means, all the power to deal with any islamic fundementalists. They didnt fall from the sky, somebody paid them, somebody trained them, they are living in society. Some of them were born in France and Belgium, right under your supervision. But french goverment, french people are ignorant on that matter. If someone speaks, that he is afraid of jihadists, radical muslims, fundamentalists, he is called as nazi, intolerant. I still can`t undestand how it is possible that hashtags, silent march or highlighting building in french colours are still being considered the solution ? Random bombing ISIS also isnt the solution. Terrorist nests are possibly spread across whole Europe, when there is a bigger muslim community. You can`t set an organisation without some structures that are hidden in communities.

And to be clear, France, french people didn`t deserve that. No one does. Saying that is wrong, I hope I didn`t wrote it here in emotions. But again, France wasn`t being chosen to be attacked randomly, attacks could have been prevented, even not by leaving Kadafi in Libya. Authorities could have follow the money, monitor communication. They have the means to do that. You can see how quickly they`ve got everything figured out. They even taken down other groups planning more attacks.

Young muslim people did not have to go to school, get an eduction, get a job, buy a house. Everything is being given to them in social benefits. They have time, money and some morons saying things about killing infidel to radicalize. Uneducated people tends to follow whatever they are being repeatedly said.

And I am writing here on freaking sports forum about that matter, because I want to know what are opinions from foreign people on such important matter. I have no other place to do this, and since there is a discussion. I don`t want any muslim in my country, for sake of peace and harmless living.

You are stupid. To suggest that france allows and makes terrorist. Such a stupid take. Get your white supremisct BS out of here.

[HarlemHeat37]

You are stupid. To suggest that france allows and makes terrorist. Such a stupid take. Get your white supremisct BS out of here.

Poland had an anti-immigration rally the other day, tbh..did you see it? the interviews with the protesters were

[apalisoc_9]

Poland had an anti-immigration rally the other day, tbh..did you see it? the interviews with the protesters were

Lol these idiots supremict are just insecure. They're scarednof another Golden Islamic Era and be led by browns again ..

But but whites have always ruled the world

Its pretty disturbing to see people push their racist agenda whenn150 civilans just died...making stupid claims that france and the uk are creating terrorist because browns rule that land now..its par for the course for these idiots

[pgardn]

This analysis is about as bad at it gets.
Apoplectic, go to the political section so the lobotomy can be performed.

[midnightpulp]

lol no again.

God told Abraham to kill his own child, and Abraham was about to disembowel the little bas because he has faith! That's good, right? Disemboweling your kid is a good thing if you think God told you to.

Love thy enemy, yet God killed everyone on the planet except a white guy and his kids..oh and two of every single animal on the entire planet. None of these people were a threat to God, who created them in his image, imperfect as they are. Oh but don't kill.

You know what else God commands? Do not paint his picture, or have any other god before him. That's right up there with murder. Also, don't work on the Sabbath. That's punishable by death.

Don't get all flower child on me and forget the rest of the book.

Nothing you said gets religion a get out of jail free card.

I'm not even sure you believe half the you just posted.

lol philosophers who "know what they're doing". lol

No Christian, aside from fundamentalist wackos, reads those stories literally.

But yes, religion (or other ideologies, based on science, economics, philosophy, etc) shouldn't get a "get a jail out of free" card and should always be critiqued and challenged from every angle to improve their efficacy.

Yes, Harris throws logic aside and simply appeals to "fact," much of which is based on his arbitrary definition of "human flourishing." The whole book is the Naturalistic Fallacy embodied, so I guess you don't need to be "philosopher who knows what they're doing" to take it apart, just intelligent.

[DMC]

No Christian, aside from fundamentalist wackos, reads those stories literally.

Because they are all bull . They might as well be comic books, but too bad Christians think God hates s, and too bad Christians think an omniscient being killed his own son to save mankind from the same god who could just say "nah it", who has his own son back anyhow because trololol he snuck out of the tomb. Like I said, when you practice a belief fundamentally and are considered crazy, the belief is ed up. The candy coated, new world view version of killing your own kid is cute, how convenient now that you have a new moral code. Wouldn't you just like to strike those verses from the book? Too bad, it's not science so it can never be wrong.

But yes, religion (or other ideologies, based on science, economics, philosophy, etc) shouldn't get a "get a jail out of free" card and should always be critiqued and challenged from every angle to improve their efficacy.

Yes, Harris throws logic aside and simply appeals to "fact," much of which is based on his arbitrary definition of "human flourishing." The whole book is the Naturalistic Fallacy embodied, so I guess you don't need to be "philosopher who knows what they're doing" to take it apart, just intelligent.

Everything you're using as an argument has been defeated long before Harris ever swam in his father's testicles.

[midnightpulp]

Because they are all bull . They might as well be comic books, but too bad Christians think God hates s, and too bad Christians think an omniscient being killed his own son to save mankind from the same god who could just say "nah it", who has his own son back anyhow because trololol he snuck out of the tomb. Like I said, when you practice a belief fundamentally and are considered crazy, the belief is ed up. The candy coated, new world view version of killing your own kid is cute, how convenient now that you have a new moral code. Wouldn't you just like to strike those verses from the book? Too bad, it's not science so it can never be wrong.

Everything you're using as an argument has been defeated long before Harris ever swam in his father's testicles.

God's behavior in those cases (commanding to kill sons, flooding the Earth, etc) isn't a "tenant" of the Christian faith, so what he did (which are allegorical stories, anyhow) isn't supposed to be done by his followers. "Only God can judge." I also see nothing wrong with taking the positive aspects of any religion or philosophy and using those while ignoring the "bad" (just because Nietzsche was a misogynist, for example, doesn't automatically invalidate other things he wrote). The good majority of religious followers practice the "lovey dovey" aspects of their faith. I don't see how that's a problem. We'll just agree to disagree here.

No, the Naturalistic Fallacy has never been "defeated." Facts about nature are just facts, and don't imply moral value, which is a human construct, and sometimes very relative to culture and time period. Every time humanity has tried to derive moral value from scientific facts, it has gone horribly, horribly wrong.

[DMC]

God's behavior in those cases (commanding to kill sons, flooding the Earth, etc) isn't a "tenant" of the Christian faith, so what he did (which are allegorical stories, anyhow) isn't supposed to be done by his followers. "Only God can judge." I also see nothing wrong with taking the positive aspects of any religion or philosophy and using those while ignoring the "bad" (just because Nietzsche was a misogynist, for example, doesn't automatically invalidate other things he wrote). The good majority of religious followers practice the "lovey dovey" aspects of their faith. I don't see how that's a problem. We'll just agree to disagree here.

No, the Naturalistic Fallacy has never been "defeated." Facts about nature are just facts, and don't imply moral value, which is a human construct, and sometimes very relative to culture and time period. Every time humanity has tried to derive moral value from scientific facts, it has gone horribly, horribly wrong.

The problem with these types of discussions is they devolve into semantics and infinite regress, eventually solipsism. I don't agree with Sam on a number of things, but I have a hard time disagreeing with Hitchens. Where is Hitchens wrong about religion? Religion makes a mockery out of learning, and it's followers are eager to wallow in ignorance and be led by anyone with the testicles to stand up and proclaim to be a messenger from god.

That's the thing about science and reason, even if you don't care to partake in the mental masturbation, you can still appreciate the cold efficiency of it, and take note that the "other side" will dart in and out of reason and science as it suits their real world needs with visits to doctors and such. Prayer is basically a kid's game.

Wouldn't it be nice if adults would grow out of it?

[midnightpulp]

The problem with these types of discussions is they devolve into semantics and infinite regress, eventually solipsism. I don't agree with Sam on a number of things, but I have a hard time disagreeing with Hitchens. Where is Hitchens wrong about religion? Religion makes a mockery out of learning, and it's followers are eager to wallow in ignorance and be led by anyone with the testicles to stand up and proclaim to be a messenger from god.

That's the thing about science and reason, even if you don't care to partake in the mental masturbation, you can still appreciate the cold efficiency of it, and take note that the "other side" will dart in and out of reason and science as it suits their real world needs with visits to doctors and such. Prayer is basically a kid's game.

Wouldn't it be nice if adults would grow out of it?

Hitchens is wrong because religion (at least the more mainstream ones) has never made a "mockery" out of learning. Like I told Horry Hipcheck, Hitchens and New Atheist Co. caricaturize religion (using the fundamentalist fringes of the religion in question) in order to demonize it. It's a propaganda tactic any reasonable person should dislike. Many of the first universities were established by religious orders. Monasteries were committed ins utes of learning. They're dishonest in their approach and show a complete disregard of religion's (positive) role in building the modern world. They basically attack it because it's not "perfect." Neither is reason.

As for reason, again, how can you build a foundation for reason if absolute truth doesn't exist? Someone's "reason" is someone else's "irrationality." By appealing to scientific facts? How do you do that? And why would you want to do that? They tried at the turn of the century, and it led to such monstrous movements as eugenics and Social Darwinism. How can science "tell us" what is morally "right" in regards to the death penalty, animal rights, etc? A coldly rational moral philosophy is utilitarianism (any act is justified if it creates more total well being than suffering). I'm sure I don't have to elaborate on the potential pitfalls of that philosophy.

Humanity needs to grow out of dogmatism and thinking one way, and one way only (whether that ideology be reason, science, philosophy, or religion based) is the path to moral certainty, or at the very least, good moral behavior. You probably think I'm just defending religion in spite of science, but no, I see value in them all, and I think the valuable tenants of every one (although science is neutral and just a tool, but it doesn't stop people from appealing to it to build ideologies) should be emphasized and the negative tenants phased out. I see no problem with the Christian who visits the doctor but then turns to God in times of grief and metaphysical uncertainty (as I told you before, there's existential dilemmas that science can't satisfy). , I actually see praying a more rational and healthy response to a death in the family than going on a drinking binge.

[Brazil]

What's the deal with Poland ? why they become so radicals recently ? I don't want Muslims in my country They are all terrorists

For the sake of it, in fact as far as I know all the identified terrorists had a file in the French anti terrorist section, they call that a S file to identify radicalized muslims... the issue is that there are 10,000 people with that file... what do we do ? we prevently arrest them ? Discussion right now in parlement would be a new law that would enable France to take down French nationality for people suspected to be radical... not gonna be easy to get through that tho

[Brazil]

This analysis is about as bad at it gets.
Apoplectic, go to the political section so the lobotomy can be performed.

in fact, apo is one of the few who is worth to be read on this topic, you can disagree with him of course but he knows his unlike 90% of the people in here who have no clue

[Mal]

What's the deal with Poland ? why they become so radicals recently ? I don't want Muslims in my country They are all terrorists

Where is your toleration about it ? Can`t you tolerate that we don`t want muslims ? Were does tolerantion ends ? If those are so valueable human beings, why you want to get rid of them ?

For the sake of it, in fact as far as I know all the identified terrorists had a file in the French anti terrorist section, they call that a S file to identify radicalized muslims... the issue is that there are 10,000 people with that file... what do we do ? we prevently arrest them ? Discussion right now in parlement would be a new law that would enable France to take down French nationality for people suspected to be radical... not gonna be easy to get through that tho

Don`t do , cause there are too many suspects

[Brazil]

Where is your toleration about it ? Can`t you tolerate that we don`t want muslims ? Were does tolerantion ends ? If those are so valueable human beings, why you want to get rid of them ?




Don`t do , cause there are too many suspects

Look bro, don't quote me anymore... you are not worth the time, your last two quote don't make any sense, your takes on this topic suck and I've never noticed anything worth the read about bb neither

have fun tho with your cute nazist agenda and with your internet tough guy persona