Does anybody embodies "3 & D" more than Danny Green?

[LittleCriminal]

Dude has two fingers taped together..

[HarlemHeat37]

He's suffering from the terrible structure in the starting unit, tbh..

Parker can only penetrate to score now, Kawhi's position and style isn't suited for playmaking, and Aldridge isn't drawing much defensive attention..Green is exposed, because he's a role player that relies on others to create for him in a unit that is no longer built for consistently creating open 3s off penetration..

This often leads to Green attempting to make plays off the dribble/drive, and a lot of it has been with the shot clock winding down IIRC..the thing he deserves blame for is hesitating on semi-contested 3s, and opting to drive, instead..he's gonna have to take more semi-contested 3s, even if they aren't ideal shots, because it's a better option than driving in congested lanes(which is the case with the SL, no spacing)..

The current offensive style is going to be exposed in the playoffs if it doesn't change, tbh..

[HarlemHeat37]

He's in his athletic prime and he's been arguably the best pure perimeter role player in the league(excluding high-usage role players like Klay Thompson) according to most advanced metrics, he didn't forget how to play basketball..

[still.focused]

Hes the only NBA player I consistently remember looking scared on the court
If theres anything goin on while hes dribbling his punk ass looks like hes gonna his pants
He doesnt even have an escape dribble which is literally 1 bounce and 1 step
I dont even think his defense makes up for how poorly hes been playing offense this year
I also dont know how the Spurs FO or players have yet to demand he work on his dribbling

[tholdren]

He's suffering from the terrible structure in the starting unit, tbh..

Parker can only penetrate to score now, Kawhi's position and style isn't suited for playmaking, and Aldridge isn't drawing much defensive attention..Green is exposed, because he's a role player that relies on others to create for him in a unit that is no longer built for consistently creating open 3s off penetration..

This often leads to Green attempting to make plays off the dribble/drive, and a lot of it has been with the shot clock winding down IIRC..the thing he deserves blame for is hesitating on semi-contested 3s, and opting to drive, instead..he's gonna have to take more semi-contested 3s, even if they aren't ideal shots, because it's a better option than driving in congested lanes(which is the case with the SL, no spacing)..

The current offensive style is going to be exposed in the playoffs if it doesn't change, tbh..

Nope - He's taking shots in accordance with his career averages. He's just not making them. No more, no less.

[tholdren]

He's in his athletic prime and he's been arguably the best pure perimeter role player in the league(excluding high-usage role players like Klay Thompson) according to most advanced metrics, he didn't forget how to play basketball..

except PER or VORP or OWS or WS/48

[HarlemHeat37]

Nope - He's taking shots in accordance with his career averages. He's just not making them. No more, no less.

He is missing open shots, that has been widely discussed here(although his jump shot has been fine in the past 5-6 games), but he's averaging a career high in turnovers, touches per game, shots off a drive/game and passes per game..he's also shooting a higher % of his shots from floaters than before, and a lesser % of 3s than prior years IIRC..

He also has more shots with less than 5 seconds on the shot clock than before, too, which hurts his %..

[HarlemHeat37]

except PER or VORP or OWS or WS/48

Give me a list of role players that fit your criteria(arguing with you, even though you don't know how to use numbers, anyways)..

[tholdren]

He is missing open shots, that has been widely discussed here(although his jump shot has been fine in the past 5-6 games), but he's averaging a career high in turnovers, touches per game, drives per game and passes per game..he's also shooting a higher % of his shots from floaters than before, and a lesser % of 3s than prior years IIRC..

He also has more shots with less than 5 seconds on the shot clock than before, too, which hurts his %..

Not true. He averages 4.5 attempts from 3 for his career. This year he's shooting 4.7. He's also barely ahead of his 2PA.

[tholdren]

Give me a list of role players that fit your criteria(arguing with you, even though you don't know how to use numbers, anyways)..

It would almost be funny if you dont just make up....

according to most advanced metrics, he didn't forget how to play basketball

I am proving you wrong as usual.. Just look at except PER or VORP or OWS or WS/48

[HarlemHeat37]

Not true. He averages 4.5 attempts from 3 for his career. This year he's shooting 4.7. He's also barely ahead of his 2PA.

59% of his shots are from 3, a significant decline from 63% the previous 3 years, and only 25% of his 3s are coming from the corner(where he shoots his highest %), a huge decline from 33% the 2 previous years..

[tholdren]

59% of his shots are from 3, a significant decline from 63% the previous 3 years, and only 25% of his 3s are coming from the corner(where he shoots his highest %), a huge decline from 33% the 2 previous years..

Not true. He averages 4.5 attempts from 3 for his career. This year he's shooting 4.7. He's also barely ahead of his 2PA.

[HarlemHeat37]

It would almost be funny if you dont just make up....

according to most advanced metrics, he didn't forget how to play basketball

I am proving you wrong as usual.. Just look at except PER or VORP or OWS or WS/48

you've never proven me wrong in your life..you're the same idiot that wanted to bench Kawhi, Green and Splitter in the 2014 playoffs..you're the same moron who wanted Jimmer Fredette on the team..

Green's advanced metrics were elite for a role player in 2015..you don't even know how to use the metrics, nor can you give me a list to of players that fit your criteria for a comparison..

[HarlemHeat37]

vorp

[elemento]

I think we're trying to rationalize too much a simple shooting slump

If the Spurs had really a huge problem in their offensive system, other players would suffer too. Mills is shooting 42% from deep. Manu is shotting 41% and Kawhi is shooting 45%. Every guy in the roster has improved their 3p% compared to last season.

Green is the only one struggling.

94% of his 3p shots are assisted this season, the same % from last season and the difference between open shots from last season to this season is minimal (from 28% to 26.2%)

Not enough to go from 41.8% to 29.5%. Green is missing wide open shots. The D is still there and teams still respect his shot, even though he is struggling to make them.

He will be fine in the playoffs.

[HarlemHeat37]

I think we're trying to rationalize too much a simple shooting slump

If the Spurs had really a huge problem in their offensive system, other players would suffer too. Mills is shooting 42% from deep. Manu is shotting 41% and Kawhi is shooting 45%. Every guy in the roster has improved their 3p% compared to last season.

Green is the only one struggling.

94% of his 3p shots are assisted this season, the same % from last season and the difference between open shots from last season to this season is minimal (from 28% to 26.2%)

Not enough to go from 41.8% to 29.5%. Green is missing wide open shots. The D is still there and teams still respect his shot, even though he is struggling to make them.

He will be fine in the playoffs.

The OP's post + mine were referring to Green's driving and dribbling..the shooting slump is obvious, it has been widely discussed here and in the media..

[tholdren]

vorp

LOL - it's you versus the world bro. Keep adjusting your argument. Your claim was that Advanced stats say Green Didn't Forget how to play. Why in the world would you look at last years stats as evidence.... proving you wrong again. WOW. your brain is kyle anderson.

[HarlemHeat37]

LOL - it's you versus the world bro. Keep adjusting your argument. Your claim was that Advanced stats say Green Didn't Forget how to play. Why in the world would you look at last years stats as evidence.... proving you wrong again. WOW. your brain is kyle anderson.

I never said that advanced stats say he didn't forget how to play..that doesn't even make any sense..his numbers have plummeted across the board..

I said that he has been arguably the best role player in the league(in past seasons), and that he's in his athletic prime..he didn't forget how to play basketball..

[apalisoc_9]

Take the L tholdern..You are getting bodybagged right now.

Do it man.

[tholdren]

you've never proven me wrong in your life..you're the same idiot that wanted to bench Kawhi, Green and Splitter in the 2014 playoffs..you're the same moron who wanted Jimmer Fredette on the team..

Green's advanced metrics were elite for a role player in 2015..you don't even know how to use the metrics, nor can you give me a list to of players that fit your criteria for a comparison..

bwahahahahahahah - that would be like me saying Tim Duncan is leading the league in scoring. Then show you a stat from 2000.

[tholdren]

He's in his athletic prime and he's been arguably the best pure perimeter role player in the league(excluding high-usage role players like Klay Thompson) according to most advanced metrics, he didn't forget how to play basketball..

[apalisoc_9]

He's in his athletic prime and he's been arguably the best pure perimeter role player in the league(excluding high-usage role players like Klay Thompson) according to most advanced metrics, he didn't forget how to play basketball..

Learn how to quote dumbass

[tholdren]

Learn how to quote dumbass

or what?

[SAGirl]

the thing he deserves blame for is hesitating on semi-contested 3s, and opting to drive, instead..he's gonna have to take more semi-contested 3s, even if they aren't ideal shots, because it's a better option than driving in congested lanes(which is the case with the SL, no spacing)..

The current offensive style is going to be exposed in the playoffs if it doesn't change, tbh..

I agree with you completely on what looks to us like semi-contested 3s. A lot of them are actually open to him initially (we know Danny has a super quick release), but they become contested or look semi-contested because of his hesitation quite frankly. It's like he's not expecting the ball when he gets it, waits a sec or half a sec and by that time, yes someone is closing out on him fast and he launches forth into the traffic dribble of .

Leaving Danny to iso probably our worst option, so unless there is no time on the shot-clock for anything else, I would prefer if he just pass to someone and reset for a play.

[pgardn]

Danny has improved on the dribbling end thankfully. Pop is actually not requiring Green to give the ball up immediately. He made a few turnovers while dribbling and Pop did not jump him last night. Green made a steal and drove 2/3 court, with a man close to him, and put in a layup. I can't remember seeing this before.

Green, KL, and Duncan remain a triangle of stinginess. As long as Duncan is not required to come out too far from the basket we are good. Danny and KL help so much in this area as they can pester and stay close enough to their man to allow Duncan to roam a bit closer to the basket.