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Thanks, GSH. Without you making this thread no way we would have been able to tell that TD was joking. Thanks for clearing that up. For a moment there i thought he was a team cancer.
For those who don't have a local feed:
In the post game wrap-up, Sean went into a rant about +/- being a totally worthless stat. He started out saying how it annoyed him this game, and last game too. "I know the NBA is trying to get people more involved, and so they're throwing the +/- on the stat sheet. That is a garbage stat. (Laughs from Monaco) No, I'm not kidding... +/- is a garbage stat. It lies to you, um, all the time. Kawhi Leonard tonight, +7? Other guys are +22, +20. Are you kidding me? Without Kawhi Leonard we don't win this game. You're gonna tell me that Kawhi Leonard's presence out there was only worth +7 points? With the type of performance he had? That stat... get that off the stat sheet. It doesn't even belong there. It's garbage."
All of you who keep trying to lean on +/- like it's a meaningful stat, take note. Please. And just stop doing it.
Later in the post game interview, someone asked Tim about Danny Green "sucking". (Obvious reference to an earlier joking comment by Tim.) Tim figured out what he was talking about and just grinned. "Yeah, uh, Danny's gonna do what Danny's gonna do. He's, uh, he's a confident kid and he does a lot for us. Obviously shooting the 3-ball is one of them, and people know that now. So they're making him do some different things. And he's gonna have to learn how to be effective when people just start playing beside him basically, and making him go to the basket. So, another learning process for him. And, ummm, he's not here so I can't talk junk about him. (Laughter) But he was, he was great tonight."
Those who think Tim was serious before about Danny "sucking", or that he is really worried or upset with how Danny has been playing - Tim made it really clear that he was kidding. The only reason he said it before was because Danny was right there listening.
His comment about Danny was that opposing defenses are paying more attention to him on the 3P line now, and forcing him to drive the ball or make the right pass. Obviously Danny needs work, but maybe that's what the Spurs are trying to give him. Whatever - it was clear that Tim is a lot less worried about Danny than a bunch of people here are.
Thanks, GSH. Without you making this thread no way we would have been able to tell that TD was joking. Thanks for clearing that up. For a moment there i thought he was a team cancer.
Bonner's inexplicably many defenders love to point out how he's the +/- king, too. LOL.
Go back and read the discussion on the original thread.
And you're welcome.
thanks!
It is really ironic that Danny has been putting the ball on the floor so much this year and Kawhi is leading the team in 3pt %. I think Danny's handle is improving, but it needs to improve, and so does his judgment. He dribbled into trouble a couple of times tonight. Mostly I think Danny has become hesitant on his three. I hope he gets back to just letting it fly; then it will start falling at a higher clip.
Thanks was stuck with local az feed
Lots of praise though from az announcers
Said Spurs are championship contenders
Anyone who thought Tim was serious with that comment should get full blown AIDS
Op, hearing charlie sheen likes to blow men. You should tale this guy suggestion and contact sheen.
That was one of the most animated (relatively speaking) post-game interviews I've ever seen from him.
Also,at anyone who thought Timmy was seriously calling Danny out. They must be new-age Spurs fans...at least, I hope they are.
Charlie Sheen sorta thought Tim was serious
Thanks for sharing GSH and sasaint!
Glad Danny found his stroke. KAwhi and TOny kept finding him and this time he was more aggressive with his shot. He had been hesitating too much. I think the Danny dribble is an experiment by Pop and Danny like I pointed in another thread. It's good to have counters, but Danny though makes the mistake of trying to do too much too often. He did get the ball in a kind of bailout situation one time, but his TO have really been boneheaded plays. I am sure Pop gets on him hard though, so hopefully he will simplify what he's doing in his drives or Pop will limit them eventually. It is early in the season though and Pop is giving him opportunities and also coaching him hard.
I started the thread about Tim's comments on Danny sucking but I assumed it was VERY obvious that Tim was kidding. I knew the le would be clickbait though
once again, +- is not a meaningless stat, it's just the people that misunderstand it's meaning.
Yep, the most worthless bs stat to use imho. Bonner is proof.
Bonner disapproves
I thought so, too. But it started a whole discussion about how bad Danny is supposedly playing. And there have been a bunch more lately. I just thought it would be good to hear Tim's perspective on all that. Particularly him talking about how the opposing defenses are forcing Danny to do different things. That keeps getting left out of the discussions. The point was - seems like people here are worried about Danny's play. From his comments, Tim isn't worried at all.
BTW - you would think that nobody could take the +/- stat seriously, either. But they do it here constantly.
I rest my case.
I already said this about two weeks ago. It's the Spurs in general. Teams are forcing the Spurs off the 3 pt line. Guys like Manu and Mills aren't hurt so bad because they can hit the pull up midrange jumper. That is something Green needs to work on. When Beli was here, he could do the same.
People who think Bonner somehow disproves plus-minus are clueless. The fact that Bonner carries an elite score in that stat despite being at best a mediocre player underscores how powerful his position is. Bonner headlined an entire movement as a stretch-four. He was one of the first guys to show that having a shooting big could work, and furthermore that it can run a twin-towers lineup off the court. He's the reason why Memphis is a dinosaur, who finally seems to have started the change with Green starting the last game.
Plus-minus doesn't suggest that Bonner is a great player. It does suggest that he's a match-up problem.
Last edited by Chinook; 11-24-2015 at 09:57 AM.
A match-up problem for his own team
Plus-minus doesn't suggest that Bonner is a great player. It does suggest that he's a match-up problem.
Chinook, excellent point.
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