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    Im not defending them.

    Im saying it's stupid to pretend like they are Finland or Norway and you can just send subs or planes into their territory. They got a show off as a leader who is in political trouble. So it's stupid to let him pretend like his country is being harshly violated.

    Get it?
    What makes you think Putin wasn't trying to provoke exactly what happened? Do you think it is just coincidence that it just happened to be an obsolete cold war relic that Putin sent into Turkish air space?

    Turkey should have shown restraint.

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    not getting the turkey joke
    I did not edit my post loquat.

    I added that the Turkey jokes were already in full swing.
    See the post les below this one.

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    What makes you think Putin wasn't trying to provoke exactly what happened? Do you think it is just coincidence that it just happened to be an obsolete cold war relic that Putin sent into Turkish air space?

    Turkey should have shown restraint.
    Thats actually a very good point.
    Which I thought seemed far fetched seeing that there was some agreement as to who the real enemies are in this conflict.

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    Thats actually a very good point.
    Which I thought seemed far fetched seeing that there was some agreement as to who the real enemies are in this conflict.
    Who do you think the real enemies are in this conflict?

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    Who do you think the real enemies are in this conflict?
    ISIS, Various rebel factions fighting Assad aligned with Al Q, and Assad and cronies.

    Then the enablers: Iran, Saudi Arabia (and the other Sunni Alignment) At the heart of all this is the Sunni/Shiite conflict.

    Who do you think the enemy is/are?

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    No nation state is stupid enough to fire a nuclear weapon.
    america already did

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    russia just goin in to avenge their fellow soviet armenians, tbh

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    ISIS, Various rebel factions fighting Assad aligned with Al Q, and Assad and cronies.
    lol that's pretty much everyone fighting in Syria. Well not counting those 4 moderate guys we trained.

    I don't think Putin would agree with you on who the real enemies are. You do know that Russia is playing an entirely different game than we are...right?

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    Leaked UN letter from Turkey to UN: The Russian jet entered Turkish airspace for a total of 17 seconds.

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    So let me get this straight. They claim they warned the plane 10 times in a span of 5 minutes. Yet the Russian plane was only there 17 seconds???
    Last edited by hater; 11-24-2015 at 07:06 PM.

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    lol that's pretty much everyone fighting in Syria. Well not counting those 4 moderate guys we trained.

    I don't think Putin would agree with you on who the real enemies are. You do know that Russia is playing an entirely different game than we are...right?
    Uhhh... Did I not say this is mostly a Sunni//Shiite problem? Now look at the list again.
    Im glad Putin would not agree with me.

    Russia is playing a game of trying to get back into the international community minus sanctions. They want Ukraine and forgotten. They also want a bigger role in the ME and their bases safe.

    Whats your take?

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    america already did
    Clearly, I'm talking about present day.

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    Reuters: US Official: The Russian plane was shot down while flying over Syria

    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/wo...0TE04M20151125

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    Reuters: US Official: The Russian plane was shot down while flying over Syria

    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/wo...0TE04M20151125
    Did the plane enter Turkish airspace?

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    As someone said the rescue helicopter was hit by an American supplied TOW missile. By the same guys that and killed the parachuting ejected pilot.

    "moderate rebels" alright

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    Did the plane enter Turkish airspace?
    Depends who you ask. Russia says no, Turkey says yes. Regardless, a plane that was flying on Syrian airspace with its back turned and no air to air weapons possessed zero threat to Turkey.

    Cold blooded murder.

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    And just like that. just got real

    Nuclear capable cruiser deployed off coast of Syria. Permission granted to fire at will.
    seems like it

    The Moskva cruiser, stationed in Latakia as part of the military buildup, is a 11,500-ton, 186-meter warship serving as part of the Russian Black Sea fleet. In addition to anti-ship missiles, anti-submarine mortars and torpedoes, it has 64 Fort missiles, the naval version of the S-300 long-range air defense system. The missiles can engage targets at a range of up to 150km, which is enough to cover all of southern Turkey from Latakia.
    In response to the incident, the Russian military in Syria has ramped up security. All Russian bombers will now be accompanied by fighter jets to protect them from possible aggression. Russia also warned that it would destroy any aircraft threatening Russian forces deployed in the Middle Eastern country.

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    damn


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    http://spartanecho.org/2015/11/25/the-latest-russian-strikes-pound-syrian-rebels-near-turkey/

    Syrian rebels say Russian forces are pounding insurgent-held areas in Syria’s Latakia province, unleashing a wave of airstrikes on mountains near where a Russian jet was shot down the previous day.

    Jahed Ahmad, a spokesman for a rebel brigade in the region affiliated with the Free Syrian Army, says the Russians appear to be taking “revenge” for the plane’s downing by Turkey, a key backer of the rebels in the area.
    Speaking from inside Syria via Skype on Wednesday, he says the Russian jets were providing cover for advancing Syrian ground forces and their Lebanese Hezbollah allies.
    Syrian TV also reported advances by Syrian forces in Lattakia province Wednesday.

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    Damn pgardn, I know it's Thanksgiving week but you don't have get so upset trying to defend Turkey.
    Ok... props, I get it.

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    As someone said the rescue helicopter was hit by an American supplied TOW missile. By the same guys that and killed the parachuting ejected pilot.

    "moderate rebels" alright
    Sooooo... the "moderate rebels" are supposed to NOT shoot at the planes bombing them? .

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    Sooooo... the "moderate rebels" are supposed to NOT shoot at the planes bombing them? .
    it was a helicopter on a rescue mission, not a bomber.

    and did you totally ignore where he said they shot at a parachutist on purpose? I believe that's a war crime.

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