PG- Manu
SG- DG
SF-Kawhi
PF-Diaw
C- Aldridge
then defensively I would change the matchups
Green-Curry
Manu-Kly
Diaw-Barnes
Kawhi-Draymond
Aldridge- Ezeli/Bogut/Iguodala (vs small lineups)
The lineup has a good combo of ball movement/shooting/post up abiltiy/rebounding/defensive versatility. One thing I would do with this lineup specifically is have Green and Leonard switch every Pick and Roll. This would still have Leonard on Curry who hes capable of guarding and Danny on Draymond who can't do anything if he isn't left wide open. This takes away the 4 on 3 opportunities that Golden State thrives on. Curry will always have an elite perimeter defender on him. If Golden State decides to go small then Diaw/Aldridge will eat alive whoever has Iguodala/Barnes/Draymond on them due to size. Forward this to the Spurs coaching staff tbh.
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Bill Simmons and Haralabos talked about the spurs best lineup against the Warriors. But they said offensively, they don't know how the spurs will contend with the warriors fast pace and high three point percentage shooting considering the spurs have a different strategy this season with LMA and all the mid-range shots being taken. They did mention Diaw being the best bet in a small ball lineup but said Parker is the question mark.
It wont be a single lineup. Golden State has all tools to play mutiple styles of basketball and we saw last year they are going to play with Bogut-Draymond if the situation calls for it or Draymond at center if the situation calls for it.
The first game in a potential series will dictate who adjusts. Golden State will most likely play small ball in the fourth, if the spurs can punish them..Golden State will play with Bogut-Draymond and in that kindnof lineup this will be the ideal lineup
Parker or Manu depends on who is playing well
Green or Manu depending on who is playing well
Leonard
TD
Aldridge
However, if the spurs get manhandled with small ball in game 1..
Parker/Mills/ Ginobili depends on who is playing well
Green/Ginobili depends on who is playing well
Leonard
Diaw/Leonard
Aldridge/Duncan depending on who is playing well.
The changes will be in the frountcourt position. The Backcourt will be about who is playing well.
One, Green cant get Diaw, and you must always think of cross matchups. I rather leonard posting up Barnes than Green. Although Diaw posting up barnes is a big mismatch.
Their biggest and most mainstream mistake is the idea that the spurs are going to move on and play different basketball is. Sure the starting lineup changed and they have a different system, but the ball moving team of two years ago is still there..Manu and Boris are the catalyst of that system.
What the spurs have done with the addition of LMA is add another option in terms pf style of play.
Kawhi
Green/Manu
Diaw
lame
Timmy
Spurs lose because Draymond abuses lame. the only shot in frozen is if the offense can simply outscore.
1) Yes he can. Draymond Green offense is shooting wide open 3s or layups when no one steps up to stop him on 4 on 3s. If you think Golden State would post up Draymond on Danny 10+ times a game or base their offense of it they won't. I would rather have that then Curry chucking contested 3s.
2) Those are defensive matchups. Spurs can't control who Kawhi is being guarded by, but it will likely be Barnes anyway. Golden State will still matchup position wise defensively with that lineup with Curry/Thompson taking either of Green/Manu. Draymond will still likely cover Diaw while Barnes covers Leonard.
Any lineup that features Bogut/Ezeli is a win for the Spurs. It makes it A LOT easier to guard Curry. You can just trap him and dare Bogut/Ezeli to shoot and if they drive they're pretty slow so the big (Aldridge) could likely hard show on the pick and roll and still recover to contest Bogut/Ezeli at the rim.
The reason I also don't want Patty or Parker in the lineup is because Curry will torch them. There is nowhere to hide them this year. It worked in 2013 when Barnes was a rookie but he still put up 20 a game. No I don't want them attempting that again.
Last edited by freetiago; 11-25-2015 at 04:24 AM.
A lot imho.
Patty-DG-Manu-Kawhi-LMA
Patty-DG-Kawhi-Bobo-LMA ( imho bobo can handle the quickness of their small ball)
Patty-Manu-DG-Kawhi-Duncan
Insert Porker for Patty if he has a good game.
No. we dont counter GSW, we make GSW counter our bigs, which they cant. LMA, Duncan, Diaw, Kawhi. Bogut is a walking cripple. draymond green can only guard forwards. The only adjustment id make is Kawhi on Curry on defense.
I don't know if it's just me, and hopefully I don't jinx anything but Draymond Green always seems to play and shoot pretty ty against the Spurs. He only shot 27% against us last year, and averaged only 8 points a game. The year before that he only averaged 5 points per game. I know he's not much of a scorer and Spurs seem to do a good job containing Thompson & Curry that the Spurs will give themselves a chance to win if they play decent basketball at least. Maybe that's one of the reasons we have played the Warriors pretty good the last few seasons.
We couldn't play both tim and lma at the same time that much, they'd burn us with pnrs.
No, I meant Draymond Green cannot guard Diaw. It is not a matchup he can guard. Leonard really should be used on the hot man, mainly Curry. Also you can to a certain extent choose who will guard Leonard and they call it cross matchups. It is when the offender then has to guard his defender due to the pace of the game. That is why it can be handy for Leonard to guard Curry, which means sometimes Curry is forced to guard Leonard which is a huge mismatch.
And Bogut isn't the one who is picking for curry, it is draymond. Which makes the trap extremely hard. But I totally agree, you want one of their centers to be on the floor, and the only way you can make that happen is to have LMA/TD/Diaw dominate Draymond offensively, and guard him defensively. This will force Bogut or Ezeli on.
duncan had no problems being a force against OKC in the '14 WCF, against Miami in '13 and '14. He'll find his way.
even in '13 vs the warriors, duncan averaged 20/10 in that series with splitter closing games defensively
[QUOTE]Curry gives up the ball early enough to Draymond that the defense doesn't have a chance to put a body on him so he usually has a straight line drive to the basket. The Cavs tried to mitigated that by having Mozgov help off Iggy to protect the rim but that was defeated when Iggy made enough open 3s to make them pay. So you're basically giving up 2 points to Draymond or a wide open 3 to Iggy, choose your poison. Draymond can actually postup & he ALWAYS gets the offensive rebound/put back when he misses.
To start the game, it will be Barnes b/c he's the starting SF but Iggy is the one that's going to guard Kawhi in the 4th quarter.2) Those are defensive matchups. Spurs can't control who Kawhi is being guarded by, but it will likely be Barnes anyway. Golden State will still matchup position wise defensively with that lineup with Curry/Thompson taking either of Green/Manu. Draymond will still likely cover Diaw while Barnes covers Leonard.
The Warriors essentially stopped playing Bogut when the Cavs kept trapping Curry so the solution would be not to play Bogut/Ezeli.Any lineup that features Bogut/Ezeli is a win for the Spurs. It makes it A LOT easier to guard Curry. You can just trap him and dare Bogut/Ezeli to shoot and if they drive they're pretty slow so the big (Aldridge) could likely hard show on the pick and roll and still recover to contest Bogut/Ezeli at the rim.
Barnes in the 2013 playoffs was playing as well as he's right now. Parker has to make Curry work on defense for the Spurs to have any chance (he outplayed him during their first meeting last season which resulted in a Spurs win). Manu can't play more than 25 quality minutes in a high paced game. Patty can play spot minutes when Barbosa is in the game.The reason I also don't want Patty or Parker in the lineup is because Curry will torch them. There is nowhere to hide them this year. It worked in 2013 when Barnes was a rookie but he still put up 20 a game. No I don't want them attempting that again.
Who ever has Curry on him needs to wear Curry out defensively whether it's DG, Parker, Patty, Manu or Kawhi. Don't let Curry rest on defense.
You guys must have missed their matchups last season but Diaw had a tough time posting up Draymond (dude is stocky as & has a 7'3' reach). Kawhi guarding Curry is also pointless b/c he will get screened out. It's better to put him on Klay & have him make calculated gambles. Besides, unless the Spurs are forcing turnovers/missed shots the cross match won't be an issue if they have to inbound the ball after a made basket.
I completely agree w/ this.And Bogut isn't the one who is picking for curry, it is draymond. Which makes the trap extremely hard. But I totally agree, you want one of their centers to be on the floor, and the only way you can make that happen is to have LMA/TD/Diaw dominate Draymond offensively, and guard him defensively. This will force Bogut or Ezeli on.
That's why you switch the pick and roll with Green on Curry and Leonard on Draymond. It makes the Draymond/Curry pick and roll pointless since it just puts Leonard on Curry. Curry won't be getting off 3s since he won't be gaining room off a pick as people try to chase him over. If they aren't generating offense off the Green/Curry pick and roll they might just send in Bogut/Ezeli to set the pick which would be a good thing.
You're comparing defending Westbrook who has bad shot selection and a semi-broken jumper at the time to Steph Curry. Duncan got destroyed in games 1 and 2 vs Golden State in 2013 since he couldn't step up to contest the Curry 3 ball. If he did contest the 3 then Curry just blew by him for the layup and got near 50 point games. When Splitter came back in game 3 Mark Jackson went with 2 bigs who had no offensive game in the starting lineup which made GS much easier to defend so Duncan could step up and stop the 3 coming off a pick with Splitter in the back defending the paint. If the Spurs can force Golden State to play 2 bigs like that they could win but Golden State will not go big anymore. They don't have black coach tbh.
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Curry gives up the ball early enough to Draymond that the defense doesn't have a chance to put a body on him so he usually has a straight line drive to the basket. The Cavs tried to mitigated that by having Mozgov help off Iggy to protect the rim but that was defeated when Iggy made enough open 3s to make them pay. So you're basically giving up 2 points to Draymond or a wide open 3 to Iggy, choose your poison. Draymond can actually postup & he ALWAYS gets the offensive rebound/put back when he misses.
To start the game, it will be Barnes b/c he's the starting SF but Iggy is the one that's going to guard Kawhi in the 4th quarter.
The Warriors essentially stopped playing Bogut when the Cavs kept trapping Curry so the solution would be not to play Bogut/Ezeli.
Barnes in the 2013 playoffs was playing as well as he's right now. Parker has to make Curry work on defense for the Spurs to have any chance (he outplayed him during their first meeting last season which resulted in a Spurs win). Manu can't play more than 25 quality minutes in a high paced game. Patty can play spot minutes when Barbosa is in the game.
Again that is why you switch the pick and roll with Curry/Green. It won't create a 4vs3 scenario when Curry gets trapped like he does vs every team in the NBA. If Draymond plays in a 4vs4 scenario vs a 4vs3 like he does 99% of the time he will look very mediocore. It doesn't matter who Iguodala is guarding in the smallball lineup. Barnes will have to cover one of Diaw/Leonard either way with the lineup I put up which is where the mismatch is.
I'm not sure about Diaw b/c he looked like shyt defensively this season. Tony at PG then playing Kawhi at the 4 might be the best lineup to counter the Warriors "Death Squad" unless Diaw can dominate Barnes in the post: Curry/Klay/Iggy/Barnes/Draymond
Defensive matchups against the Warriors are complicated b/c they can just make whoever LMA is guarding set screens for Curry. So you can't necessarily hide him on a specific player.then defensively I would change the matchups
Green-Curry
Manu-Kl
Diaw-Barnes
Kawhi-Draymond
Aldridge- Ezeli/Bogut/Iguodala (vs small lineups)
They can defeat this strategy by not having whoever Kawhi is guarding NOT set the screen. Instead of Draymond, it could be Iggy. Diaw hasn't been able to eat alive Draymond in the past & LMA has looked awful in the post this season. Barnes is their weaklink on defense & will most likely be guarding Diaw instead of LMA so that would be their best option.The lineup has a good combo of ball movement/shooting/post up abiltiy/rebounding/defensive versatility. One thing I would do with this lineup specifically is have Green and Leonard switch every Pick and Roll. This would still have Leonard on Curry who hes capable of guarding and Danny on Draymond who can't do anything if he isn't left wide open. This takes away the 4 on 3 opportunities that Golden State thrives on. Curry will always have an elite perimeter defender on him. If Golden State decides to go small then Diaw/Aldridge will eat alive whoever has Iguodala/Barnes/Draymond on them due to size. Forward this to the Spurs coaching staff tbh.
Last edited by Kawhitstorm; 11-25-2015 at 05:42 AM.
we don't need to counter them, they need to counter us.
You can only say that when you are the better team, tough guy. They have the ultimate trump card in Curry who can force line-up changes 3 minutes after tip off. Imagine Tim trying to guard Curry on a switch.
Again, they WILL NOT USE Draymond to set screens for Curry if Danny or Kawhi are on him. They will simply have the guy that LMA is guarding set screens (Iggy/Barnes/Klay/Livingston) & just have Draymond spotting up instead of being the playmaker.
If Aldridge is being guarded by a big then the big setting a screen isn't a big deal since he can trap and the still recover vs Bogut/Ezeli. It also depends on him being able to score well enough on Draymond that they don't try to play him at C vs Aldridge. If someone like Barnes or Iguodala sets the screen it shouldn't be a big deal since they're small and much easier to move around. You defend the play straight up with Danny chasing Curry over the screen to stop the 3 and the 2 bigs in the paint will be there to contest the drive.
we already know DG is going to guard him, there is no secret there. we have the upperhand in the frontcourt, they have it in the backcourt. There is not much to discover about this matchup, honestly.You can only say that when you are the better team, tough guy. They have the ultimate trump card in Curry who can force line-up changes 3 minutes after tip off. Imagine Tim trying to guard Curry on a switch
That is a lot of "ifs", Draymond was able to guard Marc Gasol 1-on-1 in the post so I don't see why he can't guard LMA who look underwhelming when Tiago was guarding him 1-on-1 in 2014. Draymond has a bigger wingspan than Tiago & is stronger.
Why in the would Iggy/Barnes setting the screen be that much easier than Draymond?. All of the players in the "Death squad" lineup shoot at least 40% from 3. There is a reason you see Curry cake walking into the paint or Iggy shooting practice 3s with no one around him in a real game.
Danny guarding him while he brings up the ball doesn't mean once he gets screened out at the 3 point line.
Last edited by Kawhitstorm; 11-25-2015 at 06:01 AM.
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