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your "moderate rebels" ladies and gentlemen:
ignore the poor guy, he's delusional
your "moderate rebels" ladies and gentlemen:
They are considered moderate because they are largely Engaged against ISIS. When they get bombed by Russian planes you expect they will be nice to the pilots of the country that has been bombing them.
Attacking people parachuting from an aircraft in distress is a war crime under Protocol I in addition to the 1949 Geneva Conventions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_parachutists
what makes these savages different from ISIS then?
We will let you get this wrong. They were warned BEFORE they entered the airspace. There have already been numerous incursions by Russian planes into Turkish airspace before this. Putin sacrifices his pilots hands to see if the animal bites... And it does.
They kill people that attack them directly. They don't bomb young people who don't even know who ISIS is in Paris. Pretty bad guys though. Hardened by war will get you there, unlike Assad who sits unscathed randomly dropping barrel bombs.
An Assad apologist trying to use moral edicts to discredit brutal rebels, that funny. Yet it's not.
Except surviving Russian navigator already denied this. Another case of he said/she said.
So before Paris, there was no difference between ISIS and these savages?
a terrorist apologist trying to use Paris incidents to credit their mercenaries. that funny. Yet it's not.
agree completely. We can't call them a "moderate" free syrian army if .they are committing attrocities in the light of day
I am beginnning to realize this "moderate" rebel is a manufactured fantasy.
I will go with the Turkish guys on this. They say they have all the locations and warnings given and will allow any investigation.
And of of course I will definitely take my internet sources over your RT news.
I'm glad someone sees the truth.
this... is disgusting
Already, German and Czech officials are expressing surprise at Turkey's action -- taken after the Russian plane was inside Turkish airspace for 30 seconds or less, according to U.S. calculations.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/25/europe...yria-analysis/
Oh, now it's before Paris.
Paris happened bud. And before that there were bombings claimed in other places.
Your problem is you try to rank really bad people and then go with people like Assad, who you think is some sort of noble kitty cat. News flash, they all are bad. You pick the bad that suits your distorted preconceived notions.
apologizing for jihadists commiting attrocities in the light of day.
hope your parents are proud.
You are citing a news agency you believe is a mouthpiece of the CIA?
Of course NATO nations are pissed at Turkey, they went rogue. Now there is less chance for any cooperation. I am not defending Turkey, I am giving you the facts of the entire incident at its current state. And the larger concerns such drastic actions might cause. You want it to be simple, well it's not.
The amount of time is insignificant in this game Airforces play. The game is Putin's "let's keep prodding this rabid dog to see if it bites"
Attempting to inflict guilt while being an Assad hugger.
Seriously?
Where have you been?
You think this is "spin the goat"?
Um, you do know Turkmen fight side-by-side with Al Nusra right?
"The two pilots found themselves in territory which the government of President Assad has been fighting over against the Free Syrian Army, that is, Turkmen militia fighting side-by-side the al-Nusra front."
http://neurope.eu/article/second-russian-pilot-safe/
do you know who al-Nusra Front is?
Note that the Russian plane was downed right on the proposed NO FLY ZONE:
This is no coincidence. Turkey Air Force is already escorting the incursion of thousands of jihadists trained and armed by the US through that area.
Make no mistake about it. This was no accident. Yesterday was just the beginning of the implementation of the No Fly Zone. Turkmen + Al Nusra (Al Qaeda) which equates to the Free Syrian Army is planning to take over that region and they are already testing the Russians in the area.
I would not be surprised to hear that US will start flying their planes closer to the area, to "de-conflict" and "stabilize". that will be just a front to start taking over the airspace. I will not be surprised if we see a few dogfights between Russians and US/Turkish jets in the coming weeks or at least a barrage of Anti Aircraft Missiles from both sides. Russia might have the upper hand in this as they have installed s400 systems, the most advanced air defense in the world. But obviously US planes are superior.
If the West is successful with this, they will start filling that No Fly Zone with civilians and basically use them as human shields, while using that zone as a corridor to send in thousands of jihadists straight to the heart of Assad's territory.
Make no mistake about it, the battle for the No Fly Zone has started.
Last edited by cheguevara; 11-25-2015 at 12:27 PM.
F-22, a stealth fighter, is supposedly able to handle the s400. Nothing else is though.
Sure. If the US goes all in front and center, I don't think Russia has a chance.
But the US is still trying to accomplish this out of the spotlight. Which is very difficult as they are months behind the Russians. They are basically building a Free Syrian Army on steroids and will escort them to some extent. US is basically putting all their jihadists in one basket so to say...
Will that be enough to break the Russian will? So far nothing has even made a dent on it.
just as I type that, here we go:
Turkey will not be using those for "defensive" purposes. they will be used to pave the way for the No Fly Zone
marg bar Trkey
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