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Bad combo, but both those guys have high BBIQ. Not worried about either of them.
As it stands, we simply fall apart on both ends, particularly on defense, when Bobo/West are in the game at the same time as the 2 "bigs"...
Whenever neither of Aldridge nor Duncan is in the game, other teams see that as the green light to take it all the way and punish the Spurs for having no interior defense. Notice how the Mavs had 8 points with 2 minutes to go in the first quarter, the Spurs go to the turd towers & all of a sudden the Mavs have 18 and the Spurs only have 4 more points at the end of the quarter?
This is NOT, by any stretch, the first or second instance in which this pattern has occurred. Remember the Washington game, or even the OKC loss on opening night? The turd towers got killed by actual bigs with skill and height, not to mention they couldn't guard penetration if their life depended upon it.
Is Popovich going to play Boban, make a trade (say, Anderson) for a decent bench center with height and defense, or just stand pat and watch that line up screw us in the rear end as a similar one did in 2011 against the Grizzlies? Is it going to come down to CoP vs. Krew bearing the brunt for bowing out in the playoffs even though the lack of a solid bench rotation is much more explanatory? Please... use your head Pop! We almost lost tonight at home to a mediocre team playing the second night of their back-to-back.
Bad combo, but both those guys have high BBIQ. Not worried about either of them.
They are played out of position. Not their fault. That's on Pop.
Bonner and Blair allegedly did, too... I mean, we started out 46–9 one season with those guys playing big minutes together...
Spurs have actually been pretty solid defensively with both West/Diaw on the court...DRTG of 95.9 in the 100+ minutes they've both been on the court.
Regardless, he's doing it more in the regular season in order to preserve Duncan, and he's also already shown signs of experimenting with staggering Duncan with the bench. I wouldn't be too worried about it being a huge issue in the playoffs.
I'm not sure the Spurs win if they played Boban over West. The issue with them is that Diaw isn't playing very well and West isn't going to carry a bench even when he does play well. Dallas of all teams didn't exploit the bench's lack of size.
This is why we should've traded Diaw instead of Splitter.
Perhaps you can post figures for the TD/LMA, TD/DWest, TD/Diaw, LMA/DWest and LMA/Diaw combos, too. I personally think that we will eventually have to employ two squads that essentially mirror each other by splitting up LMA and Timmy for virtually entire games.
These guys are no where near Turd Tower territory...
I don't know about that. We lost a lot of points with the bench playing with Kawhi and LMA alongside Diaw, Manu and Patty... it was just really an awful game for the bench, no matter who was out there with them...
Elephant in the room right now is Danny Green.
Yeah, I thought earlier in the season, it was more of a problem, especially with West being out of position a lot. But I thought he's made strides on that the last few games.
Not sure we could have - even to Bud. Bud was planning on using Tiago. Not sure he would have made the same assumption with Diaw. I'm pretty sure people remember his stint in Charlotte and fear a reversion to that form. I think people consider Boris perhaps the biggest example of a Spurs system player, simply because of his at ude.
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TD/LMA: DRTG = 99.4 (246 minutes played this season)
TD/West: DRTG = 94.3 (65 minutes played this season)
TD/Diaw: DRTG = 80.7 (40 minutes played this season)
LMA/West: DRTG = 106.5 (15 minutes played this season)
LMA/Diaw: DRTG = 92.3 (98 minutes played this season)
Yeah I wasn't trying to say it hasn't been an issue at all. I do remember the West/Diaw duo causing problems in games like the OKC and Washington ones. Just saying that overall, they haven't been as horrible as OP is making them out to be.
Thanks a lot. My inclination has been to want to pair LMA with West and Duncan with Diaw, for the sake of continuity. But I bet we see LMA/Diaw and Duncan/West paired increasingly. By next year, I expect Duncan to come off the bench as the Elder Statesman in Residence, possibly paired with Boris if he doesn't retire, and in that event, with Kyle at the 4.
No no no no no, Diaw is one of the most unique bigs in the league. I thought Splitter was great, but his skillset is much more replaceable than Diaw's.
Tonight the worst stretch came when West was left out there as a small ball 5 with Kawhi/Butler at the 4. Didn't understand that lineup at all, even though West actually played well.
We dont miss splitter. We miss baynes.
This was the worst bench game of the year , but we have more changes with new faces this year.
The bench will have these some of these games as Pop plays the same swapping of players
as he has every year. Look for this till at least the all-star break.
This isn't so much an elephant in the room as it is a simple understanding that the #1, #2, & #3 bigs are better than the #4 & #5 bigs. Not very surprising. This is kinda like those threads in 2014 that said there's no way the Spurs win a championship with Bonner on the team.
Butler is playing out of position as a 4, and maybe he doesn't know the offense as a 4, which is quite complicated, and just spots up like Bonner would do. He doesn't screen others, or set picks, or cuts. Its just weird. It's for sure more stagnant than it looks with Kyle and Diaw as a 4. It was a headscratcher decision that I already complained about in the game thread, but 3 things:
(1) Pop possibly upset with Kyle he drew an offensive foul. Young player and all, Pop coaching him very tough, he got benched.
(2) Pop also testing whether Butler as a 4 works or not during the regular season. Has to know whether that lineup will work at all. To me it didn't look better than when you have Kyle as a stretch 4 bc Kyle is more active off the ball and higher BBIQ player.
Finally: (3) If you play small ball your defense and rebounding is severely compromised. It only works or pays off for you if your scoring is explosive during that stretch or your perimeter D is stout enough to cause havoc. We saw some of this against the Suns. The quality of the players you have in that lineup influences how effective it will be. I actually liked Kyle with TD, bc TD is a very good rim protector. Heck during preseason, Kyle/Boban combo was a thing. Pop would not throw an experimental lineup like this unless we were loosing by a blowout, and yet who knows? It could work.
Yes, plus he is never healthy....
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