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Well with TP, TD and Kawhi around you could argue the same. But I don't think that you can really say that it was a necessity for Bosh. They won the le in 2012 and 2013, so they were doing fine even before Bosh made that huge jump from 3.
The significant increase from 2014 to 2015. You don't increase that much by accident. He wants more threes in his game and the Spurs will encourage him to take even more to limit mid-range shots.
Well with TP, TD and Kawhi around you could argue the same. But I don't think that you can really say that it was a necessity for Bosh. They won the le in 2012 and 2013, so they were doing fine even before Bosh made that huge jump from 3.
Wow...that's very interesting! You're right about the graphic. I was impressed that the article was thinking in terms of variables and causation. Thank you! --Paul
I think the point is a bit different here; LMA and Bosh both had the same shot distribution by distance, and once bosh charged it his Points Per Attempt went up 1.09 to 1.11! LMA is already shooting better than him on 3s.
Well, Wade/Bron are shot CREATORS thus Bosh had to be a spot up shooter whether it was corner 3 or mid-range shots. LMA doesn't have the luxury of an elite shot creator & the corners are occupied by Danny/Kawhi when Tony, Manu or Tim are working in the paint. He has to depend on high PnR sets to get clean looks like Bosh.
Without the numbers to back it up it's hard to say how the Spurs compare to that team in terms of open 3s created but I doubt that it's that far off even with the decline of TP. LMA should get a decent amount of looks unless opposing teams are willing to switch against those high P&Rs.
I don't think that not being in the corner is a big deal. Boris and Bonner have both taken a less than a quarter of their threes from the corners in all but one season with the Spurs. LMA shot 35.2% from the corner last season vs 35.5% overall from 3 (small sample size..).
Who ever is handling the ball in the high PnR sets need to be a treat (aka not Porker) otherwise team will just go under & not switch. Bonner/Boris shoot 3s when teams are collapsing or doubling from the weak-side but I doubt teams will help off LMA unless it's in a PnR set or he's on the strong side corner which will force teams to pick their poison.
With a paltry 6 attempts in 13 games, I think it's safe to say the answer will be way under.
It's unthinkable that a team that features Aldridge, Diaw and West, is relying on Butler, a fringe player, who can't credibly play PF, in a desperate attempt to wring some three-point shooting out of the PF position.
The trickle down effect to this, is Diaw having his minutes almost halved, while Leonard is having to play too many minutes.
I've harped about the need to find a fourth wing that fits the Neal/Belinelli profile, but they also need Aldridge, Parker and Diaw (he probably never will), to start shooting more threes.
I was trying to find this thread just yesterday, for some reason I couldn't. Thanks for digging it up.
I thought LMA would attempt a few more 3pters from straight on and the corners, maybe 1 a game or something.
Ya, it's disappointing that they haven't had him shooting 3s..definitely thought it would become a bigger part of his game, especially based on the comments he made it in the past..
Particularly corner 3's which the same range as his long 2's that he loves. It really makes no sense, especially with Parker showing some improved ability from last season to set people up and draw attention in the paint.
Well it's surprising, but watching him it's clearly by design. They want him posting up, close to the basket and crashing the offensive boards, not shooting 3s, while Duncan is being camped at the high post all the time. It might change by the end of the season and playoffs, they're probably saving some wear and tear for Duncan. At some point he'll probably be the big closest to the basket.
I noticed one Leonards big three pointer the other night that LMA stood in the corner. Maybe we are not noticing it but he might in that corner more than we think, but the defense isn't collapsing. I think Leonard doesn't go all the way to the hoop and settles for his little runners and in the key jumpers.
Why do we need Aldridge shooting 3s again?
Why do the Spurs shoot 3s? They're a high value shot that punishes the opposing D for digging down into the paint to help. LaMarcus shot them really well last year, 35%.
Let's look at 100 shots
LMA's favorite 20 foot long 2 @ 40%, which is good: 80 points
LMA shooting the 3 ball @ 35%: 105 points
we don't.
Spacing tbh...
with Tim, LMA, Kawhi and Tony... thats a lot of people near the rim or wanting to go at it... it creates traffic jams and cut lanes to the basket... LMA shooting 3s would greatly improve spacing for the starters and open up things
Compared to the rest of the league the Spurs barely shoot 3s.
If it was as simple as your numbers logic suggests they should be shooting whole lot more
I know why teams shoot 3s in general, my question is why is there such an urge for LMA to be the one out there shooting them?
Your helping in the paint scenario requires a prominent low post player
Our best low post threat is.............LMA
Why have him go away from his obvious strength & wander to the 3pt line and stand there waiting for kickouts?
Imo LMA standing around is exactly what we don't need him to do particularly if its just for the OPPORTUNITY to jack up 3s
Whos in the post demanding this help anyway?
Teams increasingly elect to defend TD 1 on 1 & Kawhi is usually in the mid post
It works if Boris is in the post but wed be far better with LMA in the post & Boris at the 3pt line
At least Boris can create against a good closeout
People always offer the simple math argument, but..
What about the overwhelming disparity in ft attempts he gets driving or in the post?
What about the number of interior defenders he puts in foul trouble?
What about the cross matches where hes got clear mismatches?
What about his presence on the offensive glass?
Im ok if he ends up out there open & he launches em
But game planning to get him 3pt attempts seems awfully silly TO ME
And being disenchanted when he doesnt shoot em is even worse
How bout we get butt hurt about him not taking the shots the MF already gets 1st
I'm not proposing that he sits at the 3 point line like Bonner. You can run pick and pop for a 3. They do it many times per game for Boris.
Players on our team that would benefit from the spacing: Kawhi, Tim, Boris, Tony, Manu. You don't have to be a post up player to benefit, just someone who scores in the paint.
His long 2's create spacing too - much better than Tiago's. West does too (and Diaw, when he's willing to shoot). That said, he's shown he's capable of shooting 35% from three so getting him open looks there should be a goal of Pop.
I think he will shoot more 3's as the season goes on, but Pop doesn't want to take him too far out of his comfort zone yet. Force him to take 2-3 threes a game that don't fall and it could mess with his mid-range game. It's a long season, with 60+ games for him to get comfortable and expand within the offense. I expect his 3PTA to increase month-by-month.
Yeah Im not new to basketball at all
I realize the benefit of stretching the floor etc
Thats generic hoops banter
My point is that in this specific instance we acquired the POR iteration of LMA that was DOMINANT on those midrange 2s
How about we let him be as dominant as possible & adjust to that dominance when needed
The same way we adjusted to Manu & Parkers rim attacking dominance back in the day
The same pick & pop for a 3 can be run to force a switch and LMA mismatch where he has the ball in an area of the court that he flat out OWNS
Itll forces similar kickouts but only to better 3pt shooters
Shooters who can attack a close out and even create off the dribble
All the while LMA still has the chance to work, still attacks the offensive board and may even end up unguarded at the 3 pt line after a defensive collapse
Why is the golden ticket movin him instead of just using him?
UBecause LAs dominant shot is less efficient than his league average three pointer. 80 points per 100 shots to 105 points per 100 shots.
His long 2s don't stretch as much and if he has to take a long 2, I'd prefer to see him take a step back to be on a 3 position.
I agree on the rest of your post tho, I think he worked on this shot but for now he and coach want to focus on indeed his comfort zone mid range
try o click enter once in a while, would be more readable
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