Who is More Important to His Team: Jimmy Butler or Kawhi Leonard?

[bic50]

All this Kawhi-worship and I am still not convinced that the Spurs as currently constructed would be that bad without Kawhi. Sure, we wouldn't be le contenders but we would make the playoffs. This team is DEEP. Without Jimmy Butler, the bulls are left with a double vision injury prone "has been" to lead them along with a bunch of OK players. Mirotic is terrible btw. Have you seen how that guy flops? Noah can't' score a bucket to save his life and Pau is washed up. He still grunts and screams a lot under the basket but you see him miss a lot of bunnies and 15 footers he used to make. Yeah, Jimmy Butler is more important to his team right now, especially with Kirk Hinrich being the second best (or at least most skilled player) on the team.

Unless aldridge can get back to the level he was in Portland, I seriously doubt that this is very good at all without leonard.

[YGWHI]

Your subjective ranking...Who are the five players you are ranking ahead of Kawhi?

Doesn't matter the methods and metrics used to determine the value of players...all rankings are subjective. But it's nice to read that Kawhi's case for MVP is ascending on national media.

http://www.nba.com/2015/news/feature...ans/index.html

[Spurtacular]

Doesn't matter the methods and metrics used to determine the value of players...all rankings are subjective. But it's nice to read that Kawhi's case for MVP is ascending on national media.

http://www.nba.com/2015/news/feature...ans/index.html

Yea, all rankings are subjective; and my point was the difference between 6 and 15 in such ratings shouldn't be over-stressed in the course of analytical discussion of a more technical persuasion.

I agree it's good to see KL in the MVP discussion. Curry's gonna have to get injured or something though.

And btw....KL and Butler are 4 and 7 in that ranking you listed, showing how stupid the point really was, anyhow.

[YGWHI]

Curry's gonna have to get injured or something though.

Agree. Without doubt healthy Curry is the MVP, if someone talks about other player is just on figurative mode.

[DAF86]

I don't think Spurs would have won this game tonight without Kawhi, tbh.

[DAF86]

Is Kawhi number 2 in MVP right now?

[loveforthegame]

Still overrated? Still just a spot up shooter?

[YGWHI]

I don't think Spurs would have won this game tonight without Kawhi, tbh.

[apalisoc_9]

Is Kawhi number 2 in MVP right now?

Probably head and neck with Lebron..Geroge is up there but his defense has been suspect.

Westbrook and Durant are getting ridiculous benefit of the doubt without actual improvment in play, sadly,

Imo...

Curry
Lebron
Leonard
George

Does not matter..

But the mainstream take would be

Curry
Lebron
Westbrook

It is what it is..

Spursfans gotta do a better job of doing self PR

[100%duncan]

OP

[DAF86]

Folks talking about Butler's playmaking ability got me thinking he was the second coming of Manu. I go to check his numbers and he averages 3.5 apg on more than 36 minutes per game.

[KL2]

He simply can't match Leonard, Leonard's a better player on both sides of the ball.

[Kawhitstorm]

Folks talking about Butler's playmaking ability got me thinking he was the second coming of Manu. I go to check his numbers and he averages 3.5 apg on more than 36 minutes per game.

That's b/c he plays w/ a ball hog who still thinks he's a top 10 player, his number are quite different when Rose is out of the lineup.

[apalisoc_9]

That's b/c he plays w/ a ball hog who still thinks he's a top 10 player, his number are quite different when Rose is out of the lineup.

I keep on telling bulls fans that Rose is legit keeping his team down and Butler down...

[spursistan]

match-up watch on Monday..Chicago has been a tough place for us recently..

[Sean Cagney]

match-up watch on Monday..Chicago has been a tough place for us recently..

Yes indeed, the Spurs do seem to struggle there. That is a tough game.

[Kawhitstorm]

Jimmy is the best SG, Kawhi is the best SF.

-End of story

P.S. Could have traded Danny for Jimmy last season.

[eyeh8u]

Jimmy is the best SG, Kawhi is the best SF.

-End of story

P.S. Could have traded Danny for Jimmy last season.

Could have drafted Jimmy instead of Cojo

[cjw]

Could have drafted Jimmy instead of Cojo

CoJo over Butler for a team that had just traded away its backup PG for Kawhi in what was a deep PG draft is more acceptable than Morey picking the crappy Morris twin over Kawhi.

Butler and Isiah Thomas as the two end of round picks is pretty strong.

[eyeh8u]

CoJo over Butler for a team that had just traded away its backup PG for Kawhi in what was a deep PG draft is more acceptable than Morey picking the crappy Morris twin over Kawhi.

Butler and Isiah Thomas as the two end of round picks is pretty strong.

oh i get why they did what they did, hindsight is always 20/20. it would have been nice to have both though , especially since Butler was on the Spurs draftboard and an the next option if the Spurs werent able to get Leonard. No one could have predicted how far both players have come. If onlys and justs were candies and nuts, then everyday would be un de donkfest