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Kobe played great.
Why do Lakers fans refuse to admit that prime Tim destroyed their team?
Kobe played great.
The subject of this thread is not why or how many times Kobe missed the playoffs, it it? If that's a topic you feel needs to be addressed go ahead and start a thread about it.of course you don't give a when Kirbs failed to even reach the playoffs... that's really convenient
OP asked a question, i gave my opinion and won't entertain your obvious deflection.
1999: Kobe had the better supporting cast, Spurs won
2001: Kobe had a better supporting cast by a win margin, Lakers won
2002: Kobe had a better supporting cast, Lakers won
2003: Kobe had a better supporting cast, Spurs won
2004: Kobe had 3 HOFers while Tim had Hedo/Rasho, Lakers won
2005: Kobe missed the postseason, Tim won Finals MVP
2008: Manu was injured thus the Kobe had a better supporting cast by default, Lakers won
2013: Kobe had a supporting cast that was suppose to break the Bulls 72 win record but they barely made the playoffs
Whenever Kobe had a supporting cast that mirrored what Tim was surrounded by in the early 20000s, he either missed the postseason or got bounced in the 1st rd, nuff said! Blaming Tim for losing in the WCF is like blaming pre-Heatles Bron for not winning a le w/ the Cavs, they both overachieved meanwhile Kirby underachieved.
Blame post-Pau Laker fan. No one hated Kobe on here or even talked about him that much until the post-08 invasion. And during the 3 peat, most Spurs fans hated Shaq.Obviously i've seen people hate on Kobe before but nothing quite like i've seen coming from spurfan on this forum. Which led me to put 2 and 2 together
Why do Lakers fans refuse to admit that past his prime Kobe destroyed their team?
Why do you think Kobe bashing has become like a favorite pastime for Spurfan?
How does Kobe missing the playoffs have anything to do with the playoff numbers we know he put up against the spurs? Again deflecting.
That's what I'm saying, that's an incomplete picture, and the reason is, this couldn't find another big man to coattail to get a full picture.
Nobody is taking away what he did when he was there, but it's far, far from being conclusive. As a matter of fact, you can just pin that on Phil Jackson and it works just as well.
That's why mid was talking about team accomplishments.
I don't hate Kobe. I respect his compe ive fire and incredible skill. He's the main reason why the Spurs are 2-3 rings short. The Spurs had absolutely no answer for him and never had the perimeter firepower to offset him. He's arguably a top 10 player in NBA history and has been a great ambassador for the game.
However, I dislike his chucking ways, attention- behavior, and poor leadership skills. His fans are also extremely annoying. Kobe is the 2nd best player of his generation. Since Jordan retired, only Timmy, Shaq, and LeBron have had better careers, but that's not enough for his fanboys. They feel the need to disparage Timmy, LeBron, and even Shaq (who was a Laker...) just to prop him up.
You can't really quantify a coach's job the same way you do with a player though. Players came and left the Lakers, Kobe was one of the most impactful constants everytime Lakers and Spurs met in the playoffs besides 2012. Which could explain the way some spurfans feel about him.
kobe haters are just phobic
Sure you can. As matter of fact, every time Phil left, the lakeshow looked like absolute dog . He was the constant. Kirbs was always there, sulking when Phil and a prime big weren't there to hold his hand.
Sure, the coach draws the plays but it's the player who's gonna hit the clutch dagger, break the heart of opposing fans and be the target of hate.
Sasha Vujecic essentially played an injured Manu to a standstill in that 2008 series. That should tell you all you need to know about why the Spurs lost.
Even though Timmy badly outplayed Pau, the Spurs couldn't get over the hump of Kobe going nuclear against a declining Bowen and Ime Ud
You're talking Shaq and Pau... neither of which is really hated by Spursfan, tbh...
lol Kurt Rambis
Fair points and I hate that ...and I admit I overrated him some because I was defending him here who underrate him. I think the career argument between shaq and Kobe is pretty close. But Tim has surpassed both and probably Lebron as well.
I think a Duncan>Shaq>Kobe is just as fair as Duncan>Kobe>shaq to me that argument is closer than Kobe/Duncan. Duncan so far has finished his career better than both and though Shaq and Kobe had the better primes (imho) Duncan has maintained team and personal success much better and is really only rivaled by Kareem and Malone in that regard.
LeBron is special but needs at least one more to really solidify his greatness probably will never catch Jordan but I think three rings with two different franchises to go along with his all around brilliance probably leaps him definitively over Bird, Kobe, shaq and probably just below Magic/Duncan. Some would already place him there and I get that argument but for me he needs another ring.
Lakerfan so desperate to deflect on how ty Kirby is this season and the fact he stole $48.5 million for 1 season of shooting 30% from the field and jacking up air balls with the game on the line.
Though, I will admit I hated seeing Shaq in the playoffs in the first couple years of the 00s.
But yeah, keep deflecting.
Hey you must be hanging out with Steve Francis again
Troll on.....
Notice Spurstalk rarely makes threads about Lebron and those threads take a long time to have replies.
Its because their hate/obsession with Kobe brainwashes them not to criticize Lebron.
that's the most deflections ive seen in one post in ST histoy.1999: Kobe had the better supporting cast, Spurs won
2001: Kobe had a better supporting cast by a win margin, Lakers won
2002: Kobe had a better supporting cast, Lakers won
2003: Kobe had a better supporting cast, Spurs won
2004: Kobe had 3 HOFers while Tim had Hedo/Rasho, Lakers won
2005: Kobe missed the postseason, Tim won Finals MVP
2008: Manu was injured thus the Kobe had a better supporting cast by default, Lakers won
2013: Kobe had a supporting cast that was suppose to break the Bulls 72 win record but they barely made the playoffs
Whenever Kobe had a supporting cast that mirrored what Tim was surrounded by in the early 20000s, he either missed the postseason or got bounced in the 1st rd, nuff said! Blaming Tim for losing in the WCF is like blaming pre-Heatles Bron for not winning a le w/ the Cavs, they both overachieved meanwhile Kirby underachieved.
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