Reports of Active Shooter at Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood Facility

[ChumpDumper]

Lay out the facts for me. Do you know where exactly the first shots were fired and where the first person was shot? Who was the first person shot? Has the girl he was living with been interviewed? Was she there? In order to lay out some alternatives I'll need you to tell me exactly "what we now know".

If you don't know something, it isn't part of what you know.

Use what you know now.

This is all I'm asking of you. It's not difficult at all and there is no trick to this -- so no need to stonewall.

[TheSanityAnnex]

If you don't know something, it isn't part of what you know.

Use what you know now.

This is all I'm asking of you. It's not difficult at all and there is no trick to this -- so no need to stonewall.

In order to lay out some alternatives I'll need you to tell me exactly "what we now know".

[ChumpDumper]

In order to lay out some alternatives I'll need you to tell me exactly "what we now know".

Everything you know.

You know everything you know about this. So stop stonewalling.

[boutons_deux]

Do you talk like this to people in real life?

Marco Rubio: 9/11 terror attacks were part of God’s plan for the universe


https://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/mar...-the-universe/

[ChumpDumper]

Marco Rubio: 9/11 terror attacks were part of God’s plan for the universe


https://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/mar...-the-universe/

Well do you?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Everything you know.

You know everything you know about this. So stop stonewalling.

I don't know much at all, not many facts have come out that is why I haven't been speculating like everyone else here.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't know much at all, not many facts have come out that is why I haven't been speculating like everyone else here.

So speculate.

It's not a crime.

Just present a plausible alternative given everything you know.

If you can't think of a plausible alternative at all, just say so. That is not a crime either.

[spurraider21]

this is true.

i thought conservatives (including ridiculous jeebo mike huckabee) did call it an act of terror...

going into a public space and shooting random people (like movie theaters) which are seemingly purposeless, are likely the result of being mentally deranged. when you kill somebody you know, or rival gang members (aka you know exactly who/why you are killing), etc, that's a completely different category. i think the cops who kill fall under this category, they know exactly what they're doing.

imo, the guy in this case knew what he was doing

[TheSanityAnnex]

So speculate.

It's not a crime.

Just present a plausible alternative given everything you know.

If you can't think of a plausible alternative at all, just say so. That is not a crime either.

I'm so sorry it bothers you so much that I don't want to speculate.

[Spurminator]

I'm so sorry it bothers you so much that I don't want to speculate.

Congrats on your new-found skepticism.

It's no coincidence BLM members called for the killing of cops and then suddenly a spree of cops are killed.

[TheSanityAnnex]

knowing what we now know.

You never clarified and laid out the facts. What exactly do we now know?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Congrats on your new-found skepticism.

So it was just coincidence that is okay I'm fine admitting I was wrong. Thanks for looking out bro

[pgardn]

The baby parts stuff was totally irresponsible IMO. But they have every right to complain about Planned Parenthood without being labeled as fueling the deep desires of every anti choice, antiabortion zealot. When these claims are made haphazardly, then any disagreements on almost any subject can be linked to some zealot.

The passion in this debate runs deeper because there really are people that think humans are being killed. You have to understand this even if you know the mother's rights are possibly trampled, and the killing extends to rape, incest and life of the mother via complications. There are inconsistencies. People are passionate about this.

Now there are also people passionate about the death penalty. We might ask why these opponents are not attacking State Facilities where the penalty is being carried out. But immediately Blaming discussion of issues is dangerous IMO. Pointing out intentionally exacerbating violent behavior is not. Beware if you are disingenuously linking speech to a behavior.

Boots you get an automatic exemption as a zealot. You can't be stopped, either can Cluttered Notions. This is a law of the Universe...Allegedly...

So is there anyway to speak out against Planned Parenthood without inciting violence?

[Spurminator]

So it was just coincidence that is okay I'm fine admitting I was wrong. Thanks for looking out bro

[Spurminator]

So is there anyway to speak out against Planned Parenthood without inciting violence?

I think they start by removing things like "mass murder" and "holocaust" from their position.

There are plenty of pro-lifers who take the position of trying to help pregnant women find supportive, alternative options to abortion.

[pgardn]

I think they start by removing things like "mass murder" and "holocaust" from their position.

There are plenty of pro-lifers who take the position of trying to help pregnant women find supportive, alternative options to abortion.

I don't really watch FOX so I don't know what they have been spouting. I was familiar with the selling baby parts misrepresentation

[Spurminator]

I don't really watch FOX so I don't know what they have been spouting. I was familiar with the selling baby parts misrepresentation

I only know what I see shared on my social media feeds by people I haven't gotten around to unfollowing.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I think they start by removing things like "mass murder" and "holocaust" from their position.

There are plenty of pro-lifers who take the position of trying to help pregnant women find supportive, alternative options to abortion.

Let me get this straight Spurm. When BLM marches and chants to "kill cops" and cops are killed it is just coincidence, but when a Republican refers to PP as "mass murderers" and someone shoots up PP it is because of that position and it is not coincidence?
I may have bobo'd you too soon

[ChumpDumper]

You never clarified and laid out the facts. What exactly do we now know?

I revised that and said use what you know.

You know exactly what you know.

You're just stonewalling now.

It's OK to admit you have no plausible alternative. No need to be ashamed.

[Spurminator]

Let me get this straight Spurm. When BLM marches and chants to "kill cops" and cops are killed it is just coincidence, but when a Republican refers to PP as "mass murderers" and someone shoots up PP it is because of that position and it is not coincidence?
I may have bobo'd you too soon

There's a lot here and I have to go. But quickly:

First, you'll have to link to the videos you're talking about where they're chanting to "kill cops." I've seen one, supposedly recorded from an apartment window in NY, and I absolutely question that one's legitimacy. If that kind of chant was really happening in the streets of NYC, someone would have recorded it at ground level.

Second, the cop killings you referenced in the other thread were quantifiably unrelated to #BLM protests.

Most importantly, there's a huge difference between a political leader spouting that kind of rhetoric, and supposed members of a "movement" doing it. Anyone can show up to a protest. Anyone can use a hashtag on their Twitter account. Individuals don't speak for an entire movement, and I haven't seen anything from the mainstream majority of the #BLM movement to suggest violence against cops is part of their agenda.

I do think hateful rhetoric targeting law enforcement is dangerous. anyone who says violence against cops is an answer. But a # YoFlag twitter account with 600 followers is not even in the same ballpark as Mike Huckabee.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I revised that and said use what you know.

You know exactly what you know.

You're just stonewalling now.

It's OK to admit you have no plausible alternative. No need to be ashamed.

I admitted I don't know much and didn't want to speculate based on what little I know. I've asked you multiple times what you know as you seem to have greater knowledge of what happened. Why do you refuse to share what you know are facts? What have you learned that makes you positive he went there to shoot up PP?

[ChumpDumper]

I admitted I don't know much and didn't want to speculate based on what little I know. I've asked you multiple times what you know as you seem to have greater knowledge of what happened. Why do you refuse to share what you know are facts? What have you learned that makes you positive he went there to shoot up PP?

So you want to speculate based on what I know?

CROFL.

Disingenuous.

I haven't heard, seen or read anything to make me think any other scenario is plausible.

Period.

Something new could come up to change my mind, but your failure to present an alternative scenario based on the knowledge you demand from me has only made me laugh at you for a few hours.

[TheSanityAnnex]

There's a lot here and I have to go. But quickly:

First, you'll have to link to the videos you're talking about where they're chanting to "kill cops." I've seen one, supposedly recorded from an apartment window in NY, and I absolutely question that one's legitimacy. If that kind of chant was really happening in the streets of NYC, someone would have recorded it at ground level.

Second, the cop killings you referenced in the other thread were quantifiably unrelated to #BLM protests.

Most importantly, there's a huge difference between a political leader spouting that kind of rhetoric, and supposed members of a "movement" doing it. Anyone can show up to a protest. Anyone can use a hashtag on their Twitter account. Individuals don't speak for an entire movement, and I haven't seen anything from the mainstream majority of the #BLM movement to suggest violence against cops is part of their agenda.

I do think hateful rhetoric targeting law enforcement is dangerous. anyone who says violence against cops is an answer. But a # YoFlag twitter account with 600 followers is not even in the same ballpark as Mike Huckabee.

What proof is there that the shooting at PP is quantifiably related to Mike Huckabee's comments?

[TheSanityAnnex]

So you want to speculate based on what I know?

CROFL.

Disingenuous.

I don't want to speculate period. I am searching for facts and haven't found much. Why do you continue to refuse to share what facts you supposedly know?

[ChumpDumper]

I don't want to speculate period. I am searching for facts and haven't found much. Why do you continue to refuse to share what facts you supposedly know?

You can assume that everything I know I have posted already. That won't change the fact that you have pussed out and stonewalled for hours when all you had to say is "I can think of no plausible alternative at this time."

Go ahead -- say it.

"I can think of no plausible alternative at this time."

Just like that. It's that easy.

Give it a shot.