2-14 from 3. Need to fix that

[DMC]

You're not going to fix the 3pt shooting of the team. You can fix the defense and turnovers, but the offense is what it is. Teams have bad nights from the arc. Even Stephen Curry has bad shooting nights from outside. When everyone does, it makes it hard to win. Still, the game was compe ive.

[jiggy_55]

I seriously wouldn't mind a trade that acquires Gary Neal or someone like that.. We desperately need more spacing and more 3 pt shooters.. We can't shoot the 3 well when Green and Mills and supposed to be your best shooters and one of them is struggling mightily this season.. What a disappointing start from Danny Green, is he ever gonna pick it up this season?

[houston spurs fan]

KA is like Gavin Escobar on offense and Brandon Carr on defense. Both may hold their ground but they're not going to make plays to make you better.

Who? Is that a soccer reference?

[ceperez]

I seriously wouldn't mind a trade that acquires Gary Neal or someone like that.. We desperately need more spacing and more 3 pt shooters.. We can't shoot the 3 well when Green and Mills and supposed to be your best shooters and one of them is struggling mightily this season.. What a disappointing start from Danny Green, is he ever gonna pick it up this season?

Gary Neal was available during free agency. I agree that having only one 3 point shooter on the court at a time isn't going to get you good looks.

Spurs aren't going to win this way. LMA and West need to be looking to take a 3.

Spurs have the lane clogged with midrange shooters, plus they lost a lot with Manu and Parker not being able to penetrate like they used to.

My prescription:

(1) LMA and West need to start spreading the floor by camping at the 3pt line instead of camping midrange.
(2) Simmons needs to develop so there is an additional slasher.
(3) Trade McCallum for an athletic SF/SG.

[will_spurs]

We've lost Beli but there's no reason why the number of *attempts* should go down that drastically. And on top of that both Green and Mills play like crap offensively this year. Green and Mills used to be able to shoot 3s, Manu and Kawhi as well, even Parker has had some success with the corner 3.

It seems like something that Pop wants rather than a roster issue.

EDIT: the team 3P% is actually stable compared to last year @ 36% or so. But the attempts have gone down by almost 3.5 3PA/game. That's a 15% decline in 3P attempts. It must be by design.

[From Downtown]

Green needs to stop putting the ball on the floor and just shoot
Patty has been quite streaky with his shots this year,especially in away games
BoBo also needs to stop passing open 3s
Manu is as cold as ice from 3 at the moment

[cd021]

I'd still rather have him than Belinelli. With Belinelli yeah he'll make shots but give back more points than he makes with his swiss cheese defense.

Based on net rtg, Beli was much more of an plus than a negative.

[cd021]

Threes +FTs are an issue. Percentages are fine but attempts are way down. Only 19 3's attempted per game (6.9 3pt FGM per game) and 17.6 FTA that's last in the league. The top 5 leading scorers are only getting to the line a combined 14.5 times per game.

[NameLess Scrub]

Maybe Danny is just tired of missing 3s, feels defenses have figured him out, and is trying to keep the defense honest.
His handles kill him though. I think he has the athleticism to finish at the rim.

In any case, he probably needs to cut them down and start shooting semi open shots with confidence like he was shooting 50%.

With all this, last night's game was completely winnable.
Spurs executed horribly the last minutes of the game, and put on a horrible last play.

[DMC]

Threes +FTs are an issue. Percentages are fine but attempts are way down. Only 19 3's attempted per game (6.9 3pt FGM per game) and 17.6 FTA that's last in the league. The top 5 leading scorers are only getting to the line a combined 14.5 times per game.

Teams that move the ball well shouldn't have a lot of FTA unless they reach the bonus early. It's those teams who play the iso game, or where the PG attacks the rim on every play, those guys get a lot of FTA.

[DMC]

We've lost Beli but there's no reason why the number of *attempts* should go down that drastically. And on top of that both Green and Mills play like crap offensively this year. Green and Mills used to be able to shoot 3s, Manu and Kawhi as well, even Parker has had some success with the corner 3.

It seems like something that Pop wants rather than a roster issue.

EDIT: the team 3P% is actually stable compared to last year @ 36% or so. But the attempts have gone down by almost 3.5 3PA/game. That's a 15% decline in 3P attempts. It must be by design.

Probably because we aren't going to beat the Warriors at the 3pt line. Pop wants to slow it down (again).

[will_spurs]

Probably because we aren't going to beat the Warriors at the 3pt line. Pop wants to slow it down (again).

That was my first impression as well.

[ceperez]

We've lost Beli but there's no reason why the number of *attempts* should go down that drastically. And on top of that both Green and Mills play like crap offensively this year. Green and Mills used to be able to shoot 3s, Manu and Kawhi as well, even Parker has had some success with the corner 3.

It seems like something that Pop wants rather than a roster issue.

EDIT: the team 3P% is actually stable compared to last year @ 36% or so. But the attempts have gone down by almost 3.5 3PA/game. That's a 15% decline in 3P attempts. It must be by design.

I agree that Spurs aren't looking to take 3's this year. It does reflect on the number of attempts per game. 3.5 less is a lot, let's say you are at 30% then you basically are scoring 3 points less a game. That's enough to cover 3 of the loses that Spurs have had. That on a miserable 30% shooting clip.

Who knows if this is just an adjustment process, but those midrange jumpers... despite Aldridge at one stretch at near 100% wasn't creating a lead for the team.

[spursistan]

We should be on the lookout for an instant gunner come trade deadline or off the waiver..We are going to need someone to plug in and hit the 3 when Mills/Green are off, Butler hasn't been the Neal/Belinelli type who could get you 10-13 pts on hot night..

[ceperez]

We should be on the lookout for an instant gunner come trade deadline or off the waiver..We are going to need someone to plug in and hit the 3 when Mills/Green are off, Butler hasn't been the Neal/Belinelli type who could get you 10-13 pts on hot night..

I think the difference this season is that for whatever reason, the Spurs aren't trigger happy to shoot the 3.

[Mr Bones]

I'd be perfectly happy with both LMA & Parker averaging 2 three point attempts per game... That wouldn't be drastic, but it would open up the floor. LMA is already shooting regularly from one or two steps inside the 3 point line-- stepping back a couple of times a game wouldn't hurt and both of those guys have the range to consistently shoot above 35% from there...

[TD 21]

I like his D, but he's shooting 20% from 3 this season (small sample tho), and generally isn't known as a 3 point shooter, IMO...

What are you talking about? Butler is known strictly as a three-point shooter. He's not an overly good one and given that he's been a terrible one from around mid season (last season) on, he may be done as one, but that's absolutely what he's known for.

Even if he were shooting it better, he's not the type they need though. As I've discussed ad nauseam, they need a Neal/Belinelli type. It's even more glaring when Ginobili doesn't have his legs or isn't playing.

That's the unfortunate thing about the limited offense: It's personnel, not chemistry, related. They're not built to excel in transition and they don't have players who get to the line at a high rate, but they've made up for it with knockdown three-point shooting and in recent years, an increase in pace, which obviously means more possessions. Now they don't have those two things to fall back on.

[ElNono]

What are you talking about? Butler is known strictly as a three-point shooter. He's not an overly good one and given that he's been a terrible one from around mid season (last season) on, he may be done as one, but that's absolutely what he's known for.

Even if he were shooting it better, he's not the type they need though. As I've discussed ad nauseam, they need a Neal/Belinelli type. It's even more glaring when Ginobili doesn't have his legs or isn't playing.

That's the unfortunate thing about the limited offense: It's personnel, not chemistry, related. They're not built to excel in transition and they don't have players who get to the line at a high rate, but they've made up for it with knockdown three-point shooting and in recent years, an increase in pace, which obviously means more possessions. Now they don't have those two things to fall back on.

He's not a pure shooter, IMO, more of a role player with a solid shot. He's an end of the bench guy, and nobody else really looked better in training camp, tbh...

The Spurs still have time to make a trade or two if they're not happy with what they have right now. I just think Pop will take his time, and give this group a chance before making any drastic moves.

[TD 21]

He's not a pure shooter, IMO, more of a role player with a solid shot. He's an end of the bench guy, and nobody else really looked better in training camp, tbh...

The Spurs still have time to make a trade or two if they're not happy with what they have right now. I just think Pop will take his time, and give this group a chance before making any drastic moves.

That's different than not being known as a three-point shooter.

As usual, you're wrong. Fourth wing was a likely need coming in and it took about five minutes to confirm it. They know it too, given that the perimeter rotation has been down to five and a half (and the half is in flux) for a while and we're barely a month in.

They may not get the player they ultimately settle on for a while, but if Butler doesn't start making threes, with relative volume, at a respectable clip, I wouldn't be surprised to see him waived and them audition a few D-Leaguers/other veteran shooters currently unsigned.

This can't wait. Not only is the lack of three-point shooting a crushing blow to an offense that couldn't afford it, but the current perimeter rotation is not sustainable.

[ElNono]

That's different than not being known as a three-point shooter.

As usual, you're wrong. Fourth wing was a likely need coming in and it took about five minutes to confirm it. They know it too, given that the perimeter rotation has been down to five and a half (and the half is in flux) for a while and we're barely a month in.

They may not get the player they ultimately settle on for a while, but if Butler doesn't start making threes, with relative volume, at a respectable clip, I wouldn't be surprised to see him waived and them audition a few D-Leaguers/other veteran shooters currently unsigned.

This can't wait. Not only is the lack of three-point shooting a crushing blow to an offense that couldn't afford it, but the current perimeter rotation is not sustainable.

lmao, wrong about what? You're the one making strident claims in November.

Just like every season, this team will take it's time to come together, and Pop will play mad scientist, like he always does. He already said he's not even coaching LMA yet, just observing.

Even if they figure it out, it doesn't guarantee a championship or anything. Maybe they won't figure it out til next season. This is obviously the biggest swing in personnel and roles they've to deal with since 2003...

[diego]

We've lost Beli but there's no reason why the number of *attempts* should go down that drastically. And on top of that both Green and Mills play like crap offensively this year. Green and Mills used to be able to shoot 3s, Manu and Kawhi as well, even Parker has had some success with the corner 3.

It seems like something that Pop wants rather than a roster issue.

EDIT: the team 3P% is actually stable compared to last year @ 36% or so. But the attempts have gone down by almost 3.5 3PA/game. That's a 15% decline in 3P attempts. It must be by design.

i agree its by design, im ok with it, teams are making a point of it more to take the 3 away anyways and the personnel isnt really there, but the FTAs have to go up to compensate, kawhi and LMA need to attack the rim more to draw more fouls. it seems LMA gets very little respect from refs.

anyways i looked and for comparison the 2005 team took 25.9 per game, tim and manu lead with 6.9 and 6 per game, current team takes 17.6 per game (-8.3), lma and kawhi lead with 3.6 and 3.4. I know defenses have changed yadda yadda yadda, but I would really like it if kawhi and LMA learned to play off each other more like tim and manu did (not necessarily the exact same way obviously). Neither of them are in the top 50 of the league, both are below the league average i found of 4.06 fta/g though that might be wrong, and in any case it seems like players are shooting more freethrows now than ever- I dont see any argument to explain the low FTA other than take less jumpshots and be more physical. Its disappointing to me that though both are playing relatively well and its still early goings, they arent bullying defenses inside despite the athletic/size advantages they have over most of their opponents.

[TD 21]

lmao, wrong about what? You're the one making strident claims in November.

Just like every season, this team will take it's time to come together, and Pop will play mad scientist, like he always does. He already said he's not even coaching LMA yet, just observing.

Even if they figure it out, it doesn't guarantee a championship or anything. Maybe they won't figure it out til next season. This is obviously the biggest swing in personnel and roles they've to deal with since 2003...

Fourth wing.

You're the king of cliche, vanilla takes. No matter the phraseology, virtually every post amounts to "wait and see" and "there's no guarantee".

The concept of a message board is lost on you.

[apalisoc_9]

Fourth wing.

You're the king of cliche, vanilla takes. No matter the phraseology, virtually every post amounts to "wait and see" and "there's no guarantee".

The concept of a message board is lost on you.

[ElNono]

Fourth wing.

You're the king of cliche, vanilla takes. No matter the phraseology, virtually every post amounts to "wait and see" and "there's no guarantee".

The concept of a message board is lost on you.

So what was it that I was wrong about? crofl

Nothing says "original thought" like calling other posters "cliche and vanilla"... never been done here...

Same with panicking in November... what an original take... not cliche and vanilla at all...

Your opinions are no better or worse than anybody elses. Hows that for understanding the "concept of message board"?

And stop deflecting to me, tell me why this end of the bench wing is going to be the difference maker.

[look_at_g_shred]

Anyone know what the 3 point percentage has been in each of our losses? Is this some sort of trend that when we are not hitting from deep, we lose the game? But then again, hasn't that always been the case with the Spurs the last few seasons?