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    ^^ link us up.

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    The Wall Street Journal denounces Ted Cruz for his foreign policy deviationism. This part was especially risible:


    On Syria Mr. Cruz’s “no dog in the fight” line is a way of doubling down on his 2013 opposition to enforcing a chemical red line in Syria by bombing the Assad regime. That bipartisan failure to enforce President Obama’s red line sent a disastrous signal that U.S. threats were empty and encouraged much of the mayhem that has followed [bold mine-DL]—from Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine to Islamic State’s capture of Mosul.

    As far as traditional conservatives are concerned, a quarrel between the WSJ and Ted Cruz is the Iran-Iraq war of intra-Republican battles: the only problem is that they can’t both lose. But on this particular foreign policy question, the Journal editors are profoundly wrong as usual and Cruz makes the stronger case. It’s worth pointing this out here to appreciate how superficial and bankrupt the arguments of Syria hawks have been and continue to be.

    Drawing the “red line” was one of Obama’s more serious errors in Syria. Attempting to follow through on that threat was another. It is amusing that the Journal editors are accusing Cruz of being too much like Obama while they argue for enforcing the unnecessary threat that Obama made. They attack Cruz because he has dissented from the bipartisan consensus in favor of more extensive meddling in Syria’s civil war, and in doing so he is also rejecting Obama’s Syria policy of the last several years. The reality is that the WSJ editors are closer to Obama on Syria than Cruz is, and they are desperate to distract attention from this. Cruz can and should be accused of many things, but siding with Obama on major foreign policy questions isn’t one of them.
    http://www.theamericanconservative.c...hawks-vs-cruz/

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    What is the latest on Putin saying he has proof (as in evidence )of Turkey making money off ISIS oil?
    Western papers were already on this fellas. And it's specific " business " individuals within Turkey

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    specific " business " individuals within Turkey
    .... who no doubt are well-known to enabling Turkish govt "individuals" who are probably getting in on the action

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    .... who no doubt are well-known to enabling Turkish govt "individuals" who are probably getting in on the action
    Im suspecting a blind eye was turned. But that was not part of the findings. The US had already addressed the issue as well.

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    Im suspecting a blind eye was turned. But that was not part of the findings. The US had already addressed the issue as well.
    how naive. $100Ms of oil sold "illegally" to Turkey by ISIS/Lybia and nobody in Turkey was getting paid?

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    how naive. $100Ms of oil sold "illegally" to Turkey by ISIS/Lybia and nobody in Turkey was getting paid?
    The reporting was unable to make the connection with facts. I suspect it's still being worked on and it will be established. You find the reporting naive, or you just wanted an editorial? I put quotes around "businesses" to indicate my doubt i.e. this money could be very direct. It could be that the middle men make a pittance compared to Turkish govt officials, could... It could be entirely run by a Turkish ministry.

    You got a problem with the above boots?
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    because, Obama is a pussy:

    The U.S. Air Force has fired off more than 20,000 missiles and bombs since the U.S. bombing campaign against ISIS began 15 months ago, according to the Air Force, leading to depleted munitions stockpiles and calls to ramp up funding and weapons production.

    As the U.S. ramps up its campaign against the Islamist terror group in Iraq and Syria, the Air Force is now "expending munitions faster than we can replenish them," Air Force chief of staff Gen. Mark Welsh said in a statement.


    "B-1s have dropped bombs in record numbers. F-15Es are in the fight because they are able to employ a wide range of weapons and do so with great flexibility. We need the funding in place to ensure we're prepared for the long fight," Welsh said in the statement. "This is a critical need."


    The bombing campaign has left the U.S. Air Force with what an Air Force official described as munitions depot stocks "below our desired objective."
    http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/04/politi...missiles-isis/

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    The US had already addressed the issue as well.
    What did US say?

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    Wow.

    He depleted our smart munitions like Clinton did against Iraq.

    Using air attacks only, there has to be serious civilian collateral damage. Anyone see numbers, or is the media withholding them?

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    Military needs MORE $Bs?

    $600B+ PER YEAR is not enough?

    Every ing body is hustling, shaking down taxpayers at every opportunity, under every pretext.

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    don't worry, WC, we'll find the money for more missiles and bombs

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    Its a pure bull News Organization funded in part by Iran and other ME "News" stations.

    They are looking for volunteers from the ME, why don't you join. The site claims to correct all the disinformation. Once that claim is made (see FOX News) You slurp it up like the dupe you are. You say you don't like FOX so you go the other way with an organization even more ridiculous.

    Fckn idiot...
    He does it intentionally. He knows its bull . I think he just likes to see the arguments against what he says and getting people riled up. I just laugh at it like I used to laugh at the World Weekly News at the checkout aisle.

    You have to change your frame of reference around this place. He's not going to argue on merit particularly if it means that he admits that he is wrong. He's also a fan of mixing the legitimate and his nonsense pretending like it's valid and all other manner of spurious arguments. I thought grouping the guardian and the fruitbat site was a nice touch.

    He doesn't think he's an idiot because he has gotten you riled up and arguing on merit which is what he wanted in the first place. Stop asking him questions that you think proves your point. He likes the attention and will just pull the same tactics he always does.

    Instead state your arguments simply and directly. All of the inane arguments can be summarily dismissed in two sentences in a very obvious way. They don't like that. If they start getting on different accounts and spamming angrily at you then you've won. You've stated your arguments so reasonable people an see them and read plus you've got them doing what they are trying to do to you.

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    We have evidence that this might be happening.

    Through diplomatic channels of course. It does not make sense to pretend like we are bullying a leader who is under stress to cause him to react just out of bravado.

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    He does it intentionally. He knows its bull . I think he just likes to see the arguments against what he says and getting people riled up. I just laugh at it like I used to laugh at the World Weekly News at the checkout aisle.

    You have to change your frame of reference around this place. He's not going to argue on merit particularly if it means that he admits that he is wrong. He's also a fan of mixing the legitimate and his nonsense pretending like it's valid and all other manner of spurious arguments. I thought grouping the guardian and the fruitbat site was a nice touch.

    He doesn't think he's an idiot because he has gotten you riled up and arguing on merit which is what he wanted in the first place. Stop asking him questions that you think proves your point. He likes the attention and will just pull the same tactics he always does.

    Instead state your arguments simply and directly. All of the inane arguments can be summarily dismissed in two sentences in a very obvious way. They don't like that. If they start getting on different accounts and spamming angrily at you then you've won. You've stated your arguments so reasonable people an see them and read plus you've got them doing what they are trying to do to you.
    Actually I'm not all that riled up.

    I enjoy a good cuss and spitting.

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    Actually I'm not all that riled up.

    I enjoy a good cuss and spitting.
    No one ever admit's they are riled up and perception is just as important as reality.

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    No one ever admit's they are riled up and perception is just as important as reality.
    You are correct.

    But I still don't care. Honestly, I really get some great laughs off this site so it's all well worth it. I'm an optimist and a pretty happy person as I know how lucky I am compared to the vast majority of humans on this Earth past and present.

    Its all good for me. I would do lol more often but it's not even close to the laughs I get. Seems insincere.

    Spursforsix parodies of Avante have me rolling even though they are completely juvenile. And so much more... Boots and human Americans... On and on.
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    I will gladly argue any statements I made in a civilized manner..lets start.

    I back up all my facts with 100% heart. Lets get it on.

    Note that I never call anyone names unless I am personally insulted. I will keep a discussion civilized until the other person starts flinging

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    So who's wants some? Lets go

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    So who's wants some? Lets go
    No way.

    You got a red sickle and hammer.

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    Homs has been cleansed from terrorists

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/syrian-r...oms-1449083700

    Dozens of insurgents began evacuating their last stronghold in Syria’s central city of Homs on Wednesday as part of a local deal with government forces that allows them safe passage to areas in the country’s north.Once the evacuation is completed, the city of Homs will fully return to government control.

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    yeah right

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    hopefully this will be the beginning of a peace process


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    HOMS officially liberated


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    Peace with ISIS?

    Good luck.

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