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    France's far-right National Front (FN) appears to have made big gains in the first round of regional elections, estimates show.

    They put the FN ahead in at least six of 13 regions in mainland France.


    The elections are the first electoral test since last month's Paris attacks, in which 130 people were killed.


    The centre-right Republicans party led by former President Nicolas Sarkozy appeared to be in second place ahead of the governing Socialist Party.
    A second round of voting will be held on 13 December.


    As the results became clear, the Socialist party said it was withdrawing from the second round in at least two regions, in the north and the south, to try to block a run-off victory for the FN.
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    Exit polls from Sunday's vote predicted that the FN had won 30.8% of the vote, followed by Mr Sarkozy's Republicans on 27.2% and President Francois Hollande's Socialists with 22.7%.

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    Muslim extremism is suckering the West into anti-democratic knee-jerking and into being demagogue'd by authoritarian, racist, xenophobe hucksters.

    Thanks, Repugs, " uva job, assholes"

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    Blamiing the GOP for the results of the first round of regional voting in France might be the most idiotic thing you've ever said here, and you've said a lot of idiotic things.

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    Blamiing the GOP for the results of the first round of regional voting in France might be the most idiotic thing you've ever said here, and you've said a lot of idiotic things.
    The surge of the xenophobic, racist, bellicose right in France (against the 6M ethnic Maghrebins there, from the former French colonies) is directly related to the Bataclan slaughter by ISIS terrorists, who were created DIRECTLY by the Repugs invading Iraq, totally botching that disaster, destabilizing the M/E, leading directly to ISIS and Bataclan.

    You'd have to be idiotically stupid and ignorant NOT to see the connections, the direct causality.

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    that's a post hoc fallacy, not direct causation. what you're describing is indirect causation at best.

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    wouldn't be like you not to oversell your own point, I guess.

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    tell me boutons, for bad things that happen anywhere in the world, are there any relevant agents besides the GOP?

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    that's a post hoc fallacy, not direct causation. what you're describing is indirect causation at best.
    bull . Repugs creating the M/E can led to ISIS led to Bataclan/Pe Cambodge led to the surge of the French right.

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    wouldn't be like you not to oversell your own point, I guess.
    not oversold, JUST THE FACTS

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    bull . Repugs creating the M/E can led to ISIS led to Bataclan/Pe Cambodge led to the surge of the French right.
    led to =/= caused. indirect causation, if it's even that.

    you're not very good at this.

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    tell me boutons, for bad things that happen anywhere in the world, are there any relevant agents besides the GOP?
    I don't think the Repugs set fire to the forests in Indonesia, but one can't be sure, maybe Repug businessmen wanting to exploit those lands.

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    the 6M ethnic Maghrebins there, from the former French colonies) .
    How many terrorist attacks would there have been in France if France got its immigrants from French-indochina instead?

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    I like how the tripolar system allows for parties to compromise like the socialists here are doing for what they consider the greater good. A similar dynamic in US politics would have been nice to have say around the time of the 2013 shutdown. It removes brinksmanship from the equation.

    The french legislative system is much better than ours.

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    led to =/= caused. indirect causation, if it's even that.

    you're not very good at this.
    Contributing factor is a fair compromise. He has a point. He just has nothing else to say.

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    This is why I wish the Democrats would stop their PC crap about not calling out Islam and wanting to bring in the Syrian refugees just because the Republicans are against it. This ing PC is going to get a Republican elected president, and then he'll sign all the re ed coming out of the House into law.

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    LOL if ISIS does an attack here and Repub numbers surge, so that ISIS can get what they really want: war with the US.

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    This is why I wish the Democrats would stop their PC crap about not calling out Islam and wanting to bring in the Syrian refugees just because the Republicans are against it. This ing PC is going to get a Republican elected president, and then he'll sign all the re ed coming out of the House into law.
    OTOH, the democrats have championed the cause of the minority and the dispossessed since the civil rights era and reagan's dixie migration. This isn't exactly out of character or necessarily contrarian politics unless you want to point to the fundamental divides between the parties in and of themselves.

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    LOL if ISIS does an attack here and Repub numbers surge, so that ISIS can get what they really want: war with the US.
    The CA people pledged to ISIS before the attack and it's being framed as your fear going on day 3. At the end of the day it's still Trump, Cruz, Rubio, and Bush and their still bumbling around in the leadup to the primary. GOP numbers surge means anti-establishments like Trump and Cruz get the bump because that is what those people want. I find the whole dynamic kind of amusing.

    I want Cruz to lose to Trump in his own state so that is where I will be voting this Spring if it stays the same.

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    Syrian refugees have nothing to do with any of the recent attacks, and the Republican obsession with calling out "Islamic terrorism" is a semantic argument. I think the Democrats are right not to engage in semantic fear mongering that puts this country in more danger of attacks.

    Obama said just the right amount about the relationship between Islam and terrorism in his Sunday address, IMO. I don't expect for Republicans to think he went far enough.

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    Syrian refugees have nothing to do with any of the recent attacks, and the Republican obsession with calling out "Islamic terrorism" is a semantic argument. I think the Democrats are right not to engage in semantic fear mongering that puts this country in more danger of attacks.

    Obama said just the right amount about the relationship between Islam and terrorism in his Sunday address, IMO. I don't expect for Republicans to think he went far enough.
    which is ironic cause their overlord Bush jr. never actually equated islam with terrorism

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    Syrian refugees have nothing to do with any of the recent attacks, and the Republican obsession with calling out "Islamic terrorism" is a semantic argument. I think the Democrats are right not to engage in semantic fear mongering that puts this country in more danger of attacks.

    Obama said just the right amount about the relationship between Islam and terrorism in his Sunday address, IMO. I don't expect for Republicans to think he went far enough.
    How is calling it "Islamic terrorism" semantic fear mongering?

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    im not particularly informed about this, but if elections are around the corner thats a large motive for someone to manipulate the paris attacks... AFAIK theres not much of a direct tie to ISIS or am I misinformed?

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    So funny - my (retired) aunt and her husband voted for Trudeau and is now complaining about the refugees that he'll letting into Canada and how they can't even take care of Canadians/how are they gonna take care of these refugees. She was previously wondering why her sons voted conservative, and I explained to her that they don't want the govt taking money out of their pockets to fund whatever social program. Be careful what you vote for and who you let into your countries - Canadians, French and soon to be Americans.

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    Syrian refugees have nothing to do with any of the recent attacks, and the Republican obsession with calling out "Islamic terrorism" is a semantic argument. I think the Democrats are right not to engage in semantic fear mongering that puts this country in more danger of attacks.

    Obama said just the right amount about the relationship between Islam and terrorism in his Sunday address, IMO. I don't expect for Republicans to think he went far enough.
    This is the great divide. Repubs believe that letting in Syrian refugees (some of whom might be radicalized) might result in Islamic terrorism and put this country in more danger of attacks. They don't believe that it's fear mongering that puts the US in more danger of attacks or being naive enough to think that ISIS is not going to infiltrate the refugees.

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