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    If the NBA were forced to have the same racial demographics as the US, the quality of the league would go down substantially.

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    If the NBA were forced to have the same racial demographics as the US, the quality of the league would go down substantially.
    yeah it equates to roughly an 1800 on the current scale which isn't that great. ucla usually looks for 2000+

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    yeah it equates to roughly an 1800 on the current scale which isn't that great. ucla usually looks for 2000+
    UCLA considers SAT now? I thought they were completely eliminating its usage in admissions.

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    UCLA considers SAT now? I thought they were completely eliminating its usage in admissions.
    talking about back when i was applying, around 08/09

    they wanted 2000 SAT scores back then

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    Trill pointed out that if admission were purely based on academic performance, the best schools would have mostly Asian students. What's wrong with with that? I wouldn't want to be admitted because the school needed a certain percentage of white students. Make your kids compete.

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    talking about back when i was applying, around 08/09

    they wanted 2000 SAT scores back then
    Why did they ever change the scale in the first place?

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    Why did they ever change the scale in the first place?
    added a writing section for an additional 800 points

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    I answered it. go take your meds
    Yeah, just like you always do. With a no answer, just throw more racism into the mix......idiot twerp.

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    Yes, of course, when credentials are similar, choose diversity. But in the case of education, credentials are not similar are they? In my dd's case, the best and brightest asian/white males are being denied the chance to intern at Google in favor of my nowhere near as good cs daughter.
    What does it tell you when a wildly successful company like Google freely chooses to employ AA?

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    What does it tell you when a wildly successful company like Google freely chooses to employ AA?
    They are heavily criticized when their (lack of) diversity numbers come out. Now, mind you, the students still have to pass 2 pretty heavy tech interviews, but it's the CHANCE to get the interviews. Google jobs are even more rare (percentage-wise) than getting into Harvard. Iirc, it's 1000 applications for every available job. This particular job asks 3 questions in the application: 1. Why is diversity in the workforce important and how can Google increase their diversity 2. Tell about a time you've used your strongest coding language 3. What developed your interest in CS?

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    I have a question. Just how long does AA have to go on? Is people having to stand on their on two feet and brain power ever going to be the norm? Or is unequal the norm? What the is so great about diversity?
    As long as we have unequal funding of public schools and resources IMO....better schools get all the resources, all the help, all the facilities...

    Teachers in poorer districts often buy their own supplies...

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    The comparison with the NBA is all wrong.

    It should be pretty obvious why the state would have an interest in better access to education for all, especially disadvantaged minorities. The entertainment business? Not much at all.

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    The comparison with the NBA is all wrong.
    hilariously so

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    The comparison with the NBA is all wrong.

    It should be pretty obvious why the state would have an interest in better access to education for all, especially disadvantaged minorities. The entertainment business? Not much at all.

    The public school I attended had less than 7% white students. All you needed was something to write with and an attention span. Muh white privilege

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    The public school I attended had less than 7% white students.
    ... explains your lack of education, and risible ignorance.

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    ... explains your lack of education, and risible ignorance.
    Graduated in top 1% of my class.

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    Graduated in top 1% of my class.
    ... obviously the curve was REALLY skewed.

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    With regard to basketball, it's not a pure free market, but if the NBA did an AA thing and chose based on race, someone else would open another league, hire all the better black players and run the NBA out of business. The consumer would go where the better product (basketball player) is.
    The better analogy -- if you're stuck on the NBA as a means to make such an analogy (I agree with others that it's not particularly apt) -- isn't based on players, it's based on markets.

    If the NBA went solely to allocating teams to large markets (on the presumption that their size would allow better support), the league might have 3 or 4 teams in both Los Angeles and New York, 2 teams in Chicago, and almost certainly wouldn't have teams in places like Portland, Sacramento, Salt Lake City, Oklahoma City, or San Antonio.

    Entry into a number of small markets is basically the league's form of affirmative action to create diversity among teams.
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    Graduated in top 1% of my class.
    From what school? That kind of matters.

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    Yeah, Penn very publicly goes for "stories" over talents. They routinely deny valedictorians who have spent their lives studying. But if you got a 3.7 while helping your single mother raise two brothers while also managing to work in good test scores and extracurriculars? Golden. Private schools are businesses, and they want to get money above all else. Promoting their brand by looking for the most potential is paramount. To keep with the basketball analogy, they'd rather shoot 40 percent from three than 60 percent from two.

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    The public school I attended had less than 7% white students. All you needed was something to write with and an attention span. Muh white privilege
    White privilege exists. Not so sure it's as big a deal in schools as it is out in the real world though--education in my experience is product of culture more than anything else, though obviously in certain places other factors (like abject poverty) nullify that. There's gotta be opportunity & accessibility. I've lived in the poorest parts of the country and opportunity & accessibility is there for the most part. It's astounding how many people take it for granted tho.

    Where white privileges ecists for a fact is in the workforce. I worked for a company that wouldn't hire black supervisors/managers. That same company also treated me unfairly due to my being a Jew (Management was cracking Jewish jokes, throwing the word around freely, I finally said something tho). And I doubt it's the only company. Quota system helps mitigate that.

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    The public school I attended had less than 7% white students. All you needed was something to write with and an attention span. Muh white privilege
    There's another debate that goes in here, which is profit motive over the state interest in education. It's not much different than the profit motive vs state interest in a healthy society when it comes to healthcare.

    In the education part, it appears the interest is largely there, up until college, and then at that point you get a patchwork that retains the profit motive with government backed loans, affirmative action, etc.

    It's certainly debatable whether that last part is a good or bad compromise.

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    education in my experience is product of culture more than anything else, though obviously in certain places other factors (like abject poverty) nullify that. There's gotta be opportunity & accessibility. I've lived in the poorest parts of the country and opportunity & accessibility is there for the most part. It's astounding how many people take it for granted tho.
    By the end of 7th grade most kids have already figured out whether they want to put in the extra work needed to have a chance of getting an academic scholarship...the main problem with education is that it treats and educates all students the same way....that's why standardization of learning objectives and no child left behind have backfired.....if schools specialized in different specialties, for instance, health....vocational.....higher education.....science/math...etc...schools would be much more successful and classes would be engaging......but standardized testing only test one way....

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    By the end of 7th grade most kids have already figured out whether they want to put in the extra work needed to have a chance of getting an academic scholarship...the main problem with education is that it treats and educates all students the same way....that's why standardization of learning objectives and no child left behind have backfired.....if schools specialized in different specialties, for instance, health....vocational.....higher education.....science/math...etc...schools would be much more successful and classes would be engaging......but standardized testing only test one way....
    I have a problem with specialization - what happens when kids don't know what they want to do. There are a lot of magnet schools here in Miami where there is a certain theme like engineering, health, etc. My kids, like lots of others I'm sure, don't know what they want to do by 8th grade (when you apply for magnet high school). Would you believe that it's not so easy to find a good school that just offers a variety of subjects and lets you pick and choose what you want to take instead of being on a track.

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    I disagree with Chinese/asians being the smartest. Babies are all clean slates - I take that back a bit - the Chinese take exceptional care of themselves when they are pregnant - it's because they don't know whether it's a boy or girl, that you should choose a Chinese girl when adopting over other nationalities who are more likely products of rape, drugs, etc. For the asians, it comes down to parental involvement and expectations. The parents have them play chess and piano, join math clubs - things that enhance their education. All races are equal - it is the upbringing.

    All races are equal except when it comes time to right the sin of slavery. You devils never ing did right by anyone but your selfish selves. You devils used terrorism to keep blacks out of your schools. it was only the damn 60's when they damn near had mass coronaries because of black folks being let in. wtf is it with you ing dishonest mother ers. Most of the time blacks were here in america, they'd get beat for reading a godamn book. lol

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