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    Rightwingnuts: But but but, living on welfare is easy They're stealing a living I'm telling you
    Feel free to send all your money to a selected "below the poverty level" family of 5 kids under the age of 8 and baby momma. I am sure you can find one to accept it.

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    'cuz he knows it's a stupid claim. Of course people know grilled chicken breast is healthier than fried chicken, or that water is better than soft drinks, or that baked potato is healthier than fries. These foods and knowledge of the good or bad consequences of indulging in them is not a novelty.

    LOL the imagined effect of the portrayal of fatasses on T.V. has on eating behavior. The hypocrisy of it is if we excluded fatasses from being on T.V., or limited their portrayal to being ty, unappealing with no redeemable qualities, he'd be crying about unequal representation of and prejudice against fat people.
    I blame it on Oprah. She made being a fatass cool.

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    Actually fresh produce is pretty damn expensive. The new food tracking laws are a big contributing factor. Every vegetable now has to be individually tracked from grower to grocery cart.
    None of that legislation has been signed into law. The PTI (produce traceability initiative) is voluntary.

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    St Ronnie said this welfare lady should have a Cadillac? Was he lying?

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    None of that legislation has been signed into law. The PTI (produce traceability initiative) is voluntary.
    My apology. It's clear HEB is voluntarily doing it. I suspect for liability reasons.

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    Feel free to send all your money to a selected "below the poverty level" family of 5 kids under the age of 8 and baby momma. I am sure you can find one to accept it.
    Plenty of government money for that, despite what they tell you. Unfortunately they just choose to use it for subsidizing fossil fuels and other such BS. Poverty isn't a big enough problem apparently, big business always comes first!

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    Even before tracking, the cost of fresh produce leaving the farm has always been a small fraction of the shelf price.
    We're not talking about turning poor people into vegetarians. When I was poor, I never felt like vegetables were too costly, especially if I bought them when they were marked down.

    The Irish lived off of potatoes for a century. Potatoes are cheap and rich in fiber, potassium and vitamin c. I used to have one every day. Not a vegetable, but I used to heat 'em up & put some slight melted shredded cheese, diced tomatoes, and pieces of seared luncheon ham on top. It's cheap and nutritional. For breakfast I'd have oatmeal with slices of bananas mixed in. Bought a lot of canned beans, green beans, oranges.

    I can tell you I never salivated for most of my meals, but it did the job.

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    "We're not talking about turning poor people into vegetarians."

    they'd be healthier, live better, live longer.


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    My apology. It's clear HEB is voluntarily doing it. I suspect for liability reasons.
    Well, being able to trace from lot to store allows retailers to more accurately recall product if necessary. You can argue tractability actually saves money in that Retailers don't have to recall all product but can just pull the contaminated product from the shelves if everything is traceable back to the lot on which it was harvested. A lot of infrastructure needs to be in place to make that work though.

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    Tons of people are that stupid though, that's why there has been a big push to list calories on menus at McDonald's and banning soft drinks

    Im with boutons on fat shaming
    You don't have to be a scientist or nutritionist to eat the right way. People really need to just understand the basics (and they do--they just want instant gratification, which is a problem in our society that manifests itself more ways than eating habits): eat three times a day, drink water not soft drinks or a lot of sugary things, grilled or roasted but not fried, and be active, and for good measure if you want get a container of vitamins/nutritional pills and take one or two a day. Not so hard.

    You aren't dumb or ignorant if you don't follow that regiment, your negligent or apathetic ("we're all gonna die at some point anyways, so might as well stuff this large popcorn with extra butter down my mouth and chase it with my large soda").

    I've followed a very basic diet, and I'm no better informed than anyone else. I don't count calories, and I don't need menus at restaurants listing number that tells me that what I'm stuffing myself with isn't healthy when I've got a scale at home that does that for me, or clothes that tell me when I can't get into them as easily.

    And the whole body shaming/fat guy on t.v. theory sounds pretty dumb to me so I'm not even gonna address that.

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    "We're not talking about turning poor people into vegetarians."

    they'd be healthier, live better, live longer.

    Not surprising you're a vegetarian.

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    Rightwingnuts: But but but, living on welfare is easy They're stealing a living I'm telling you
    It is abused by many people. I know people who are perfectly capable of working but have no incentive to work since the govt. takes care of them. A lot of people know people like that. It ain't an EASY life doing that, but it's a pretty energy-efficient one that's for sure. And that's enough for people.

    And Republicans have have never implied that welfare is a fraud for everyone or majority (to my knowledge) but that it needs to address the many people who cheat it, and in the end themselves. True, they don't often enough address its merits for many people. It's also true Democrats don't often enough address the abuse of it.

    I guess that's just American politics at the moment with both parties living in their own separate realities, and doesn't get fixed for the better.

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    Some peeps get confused a lot with this issue. Welfare isn't the problem, there are cases, like the OP, where it's clearly needed.

    The actual problem is with (lack of proper) oversight. This is where the system really falters. And I think it's safe to say that besides the glaring inep ude, there's some political reasons for that too.

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    Plenty of government money for that, despite what they tell you. Unfortunately they just choose to use it for subsidizing fossil fuels and other such BS. Poverty isn't a big enough problem apparently, big business always comes first!
    Without big business, there won't be income to tax.

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    "We're not talking about turning poor people into vegetarians."

    they'd be healthier, live better, live longer.

    Which means I'd have to support them longer.

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    Fresh produce is generally more expensive because it is perishable while junk food is filled with preservatives that make it last a long time. Probably the only thing that's healthy and cheap is brown rice and beans (which of course last a long time).

    I agree with boutons about the food. Even if you were "educated" about nutrition and followed the Food Pyramid pushed by our government, IMO, you're gonna gain weight. Look whats at the bottom of the pyramid - lots of carbs (11 servings?), what's at the top, fats. The better diet, in general, is high (good) fat (not trans fat) and low carb. And no, I don't have any article to link to - that's just my humble opinion from cooking and feeding my family for x years.
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    I'm not into the vegetarian diet. Lots of fat - coconut/olive oil, butter, (occasional) bacon, cheese, full fat milk. Low carb - mostly vegetables (not root vegetables like potatoes, yams, etc) and fruit, very little rice, bread, pasta, etc. Meat (with skin and fat - preferably organic), fish, eggs. (My) Guarantee to lose weight - try it.

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    These 400 pounders aren't getting there with fast food and Twinkies. They are mass grazers. They eat everything, and lots and lots of it. It's not the "bad for you" stuff that's the issue, but the sheer volume coupled with the aftershock which is to render the eater immobile after a few years, at which point health issues and fat building snowball.

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    Without big business, there won't be income to tax.

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    Which means I'd have to support them longer.
    less diabetes, less CVD would mean less rip-off medical care.

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    There is no way to help everyone. What was designed as a safety net can no longer catch those with a sudden change in lifestyle, and they should be the ones first served. The "breeders" should be cut off as more deserving people need help.
    You are describing the person in the OP. How would you help her? What change would you make to the system?

    , quit ing about , man up and tell me what your solution is.

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    It is abused by many people. I know people who are perfectly capable of working but have no incentive to work since the govt. takes care of them. A lot of people know people like that. It ain't an EASY life doing that, but it's a pretty energy-efficient one that's for sure. And that's enough for people.

    And Republicans have have never implied that welfare is a fraud for everyone or majority (to my knowledge) but that it needs to address the many people who cheat it, and in the end themselves. True, they don't often enough address its merits for many people. It's also true Democrats don't often enough address the abuse of it.

    I guess that's just American politics at the moment with both parties living in their own separate realities, and doesn't get fixed for the better.
    Most Republicans think "welfare" is nothing but a bunch of black people sponging off hard working white people.

    http://yourblackworld.net/2012/08/31...ton-post-poll/
    http://www.newsmax.com/US/Welfare-wo.../18/id/445765/

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    It is abused by many people.
    anecdotes are useless

    of the 10Ms of people on public assistance, how many are frauds?

    How many private equity, hedge funds, traders, TBTF banks, payday lenders, car le lenders etc, etc, are shylocks, loansharkers, frauds, thieves, cheats, etc? and do you worry about they as much as poor people?

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    Most Republicans think "welfare" is nothing but a bunch of black people sponging off hard working white people.

    http://yourblackworld.net/2012/08/31...ton-post-poll/
    http://www.newsmax.com/US/Welfare-wo.../18/id/445765/


    Lol



    Although “don’t know” was the leading response for all parties, a close second among Republicans was that black voters are dependent on government or seeking a hand out. On the other hand, Democrats cited the reason being that their party addresses issues of poverty. Lastly, Independents cited support of welfare/en lements/healthcare.

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    You are describing the person in the OP. How would you help her? What change would you make to the system?

    , quit ing about , man up and tell me what your solution is.
    First we need to know all the facts. Why isn't the father helping out more, If he is at all? Abandoned? What is the status of the authorities looking for him? How much did they have together vs. apart?

    Regardless, we need to stop being so free with money to everyone, and go back to safety nets vs. hammocks.

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