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I know.
Looks like he's going brain-dead.
Why are you such a ing racist?
It is you who is thinking that. Not conservatives or republicans. There is also white trash, and more whites on the system as well.
Please stop your pathetic race baiting. Those links don't say what you imply.
I know.
Looks like he's going brain-dead.
Whiteycobra playing the race card.....just shot coffee through my nose laughing..mf...
Having children should be a privilege based on income/education/stability. ing teen mom's down here in the Valley with 5 kids by age 20 with daddy locked up are draining the ing system. Medicaid, food stamps and all the other . that mess.
That's dying economy talk.....so now we are 'that country'....
i just eat when i'm hungry and drink water when i'm thirsty and exercise thrice a week. seems pretty simple tbh.
I saw nothing supporting your claim in 2nd link. I won't even bother wasting my time on the 1st one because it'll probably be a waste of time, too. I'll read your recap of it, provided with excerpts, but I ain't gonna wade through an article trying to find something you claim is in it that supports your claim, only for it to be an exercise in futility. that.
Not when 35% of people, according to the survey that was conducted in the article/2nd link provided by RG (which again none of which supported RGs claim), say they know someone on welfare who could work and the fact that I've seen it myself.
Maybe we all know the same person!
the whole point of welfare is that if you can improve the quality of life (especially health and education) of those children then you can reduce the number of people that need help. otherwise, the situation you describe is destined to spiral out of control
andat thinking there is anyway to prevent people from having kids with fines and such. its never been done because its impossible. somehow i imagine you dont support planned parenthood and the like, which are trying to address the problem with an actual solution.
The truly sad part of it is that if we can't overcome our biases and agree on facts or on beliefs that are strongly supported, it's doing no good for these people. It's also ironic. Because our "solutions" have no basis in reality, and don't solve that people--who I believe are well-intentioned--say they care about, in this case poverty.
As for what should be done: put woman who can't get jobs, and men who abandon family, to temporary govt. subsidized work (on highways, roads etc.), where they can build skills and find employment in the actual market down the road. They get the same treatment private sector workers get: initial & randomized drug tests, they fail though and they go to the pen (the men I mean).
The cycle never ends. The people that get welfare (in the valley) are the lowest of the low. S bag father's and mothers that sell their food stamps to support their drug habits. These people should not be having children. These children go through abuse daily and it just keeps going until they have children of their own and pass it on to them.the whole point of welfare is that if you can improve the quality of life (especially health and education) of those children then you can reduce the number of people that need help. otherwise, the situation you describe is destined to spiral out of control
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its a chicken and egg scenario. you seem to think that having welfare makes people horny, not use contraception and have children, and fall into a life well beyond their means voluntarily, because the handouts are so great (and yet they remain the "lowest of the low"). I disagree, people are horny, often dont use contraception (especially if they have to actually pay for it), and its a good thing for society to try to improve the situation by having free contraceptives and sexual health professionals available, by supporting the family, having a good education at public school, etc etc if anything, conservatives should be howling about the inefficiency of the system described in the article, I dont see what giving up brings to the table.
To look at the other side though, for deadbeat dads that actually do have legitimate jobs, they're in some and I'm assuming a lot of cases having to pay waaaaay to much in child support, to the point where they either have to move in with family (if they have any that lets them) or live off the govt. basically. I've worked with people who actually had jobs and paid their dues to the kid, and unless you've got a high-paying white collar job or a blue caller job where you get paid decently well, offers 40+ hrs/week and that offer health insurance, it's basically impossible to not have to rely on govt. for your own sustenance. For example (and this is actually probably an outlier segment iow, it's far worse for probably most poor people) if you've got a job that pays say ~9/hr, gives family health insurance, and ~40 hrs a week, you'd probably be paying in the range of $250/month in child support, depending on the state. How the you gonna live off of ~$1000/month, assuming you're supporting yourself? Assuming you've got an apt with electricity, running water, a phone bill, and a car payment at minimum right there you're looking at prob. $700-800. Figure in gas and food, and it's a joke. And the situation is probably worse for most in poverty, most of whom probably make minimum wage (~$7/hr) aren't offered family health insurance or if they are pay out the ass for it, and don't make it to 40 hrs/week. At that point, no matter how much you squeeze out of your earnings, it's futile, a joke.
Minimum wage is a joke, the child support system heavily favors the mother when the dad isn't a COMPLETE d-bag and at least tries, and the poor are taxed too much. It all ends up basically perpetuating the welfare system for those that have children and that make an effort to live by the law and pay CS.
He trying to reach bouton's level i think.
WC so butthurt
Another ed up CNN debate. I din't understand why they keep falling for it...
CNN to Candidate X...Donald Trump said (something else ing dumb). How would you respond to this?
its the old "when did you stop beating your wife" bull just highlighting all the wacky Trump says.
This is what ham planets actually believe
One more reason not to take public transportation.This is what ham planets actually believe
There's plenty of men who'd happily bang her, where her weight is a positive trait. There's a decent market for that type of porn, so it's something men apparently not only look passed but look for. She's pobably just not attracted to them. People like her say "nobody wants me" when in fact "nobody" is just actually the people they see as potential mates. If she wasn't as vain as she is, she could find a man that'd want/ /marry her and not be bothered by the stupidity of comparing how many guys want to fatassees versus skinny girls, since when you are with someone you love how other people think of you sexiually isn't important in the least.
Yep. See Pierce Brosnan and Roger Federer.
This is what ham planets actually believe
Theres more help than just welfare.
Welfare fraud doesnt concern me though, either.
Real q: where is daddy?
https://singlemotherguide.com/single-mother-statistics/
... seems like it's not only black women with children but no man in the house.
If we had the data and data of other govt. programs yes you could do something. You could find out which particular part of a program was ineffective and inefficient. Then you may not even need to make a decision on who is served until later. There are whole dept wings that could be cut from big Corp and big govt with literally no effect on the overall function of the whole. Anyone who has seen the inside of big understands it breeds inefficiency and bureaucrats.
This has always been a problem with any big organization. Situations morph and big specialization does not change with situations and literally becomes useless but attempt to hang on like a parasitic tumor. There is an art to this type of hiding, or pseudo usefulness in any large unwieldy organization. Good data on internal efficiency would be incredibly important. Current auditing is very crude because of bad data.
The above is not a big political issue because each party has arms that benefit from the above. The Republicans pretend like it is but give it lip service.
Last edited by pgardn; 12-17-2015 at 08:25 AM.
See that is the thing about "welfare" that people about all the time. What is it? SPECIFICALLY?
Most people who say they hate it, have absolutely no clue what it really is, or who actually gets it.
Dig into it yourself. Try to find the specific government programs, and the guidelines outlining who gets the money, and how much money they get.
Then find the data on the people who are getting it. "Welfare" is not what most people think it is.
I did this when I was going the rounds with vy65 about things like food stamps, and he was trying to justify a rather morally repugnant statement he made. It was very illuminating.
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