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Interesting comparison. I'm looking forward at reading analysis from posters who would perhaps do a better job than I.
I don't consider myself a homer by any means when it comes to analyzing my sports teams. But this NBA season has been a very interesting start to say the least..obviously due to the Warriors 24 game winning streak to start the season. Congrats to them on that btw it was pretty cool to see and I'm a huge fan of Steph Curry. But I'm from the "210" home of the best franchise in sports in the last 20 years. We've honestly seen it all and honestly we went up against a team IMO that resembles the Warriors. That team was the Steve Nash lead Phoenix Suns. The numbers and play are similar except you can say Warriors are a better defensive team. People forget how good those Suns teams were..they were unbeatable in regular season and everybody loved them. They honestly revolutionized the game of basketball..but they never won a championship...because they went up against the Spurs. A team that played great defense but also were no slouch on the offensive end. Well it seems two similar teams are on the path to meet again. Spurs/Warriors..The Spurs are playing the best defense in the league dating back to the times they faced the Suns. And the Warriors are playing the best offense since those Suns teams....it's pretty crazy and fascinating that these two types of teams can clash again in the WCF. It's gonna be EPIC.
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Interesting comparison. I'm looking forward at reading analysis from posters who would perhaps do a better job than I.
West and Diaw gonna hip check Curry. CIA Pop!
just West, please. We don't need Boris Horry suspended in critical playoff games
The numbers from the 2005 Spurs/Suns is pretty similar to the current Warriors/Spurs
Great comparison!
I was at one of those playoff games and the Suns were on fire. The won and shot an ungodly percentage. Stoudemire was the toughest matchup there. Warriors do not have anything like him in his prime. I hope the Spurs stay healthy and strategically dismantle the Dubs like they did the Suns.
Honestly IMO the only 2 things in common between these Warriors and the mid 2000s Suns are that they both play at a fast pace and hit a lot of threes. Other than that I'd say there are far more differences than similarities.
You've mentioned the defense thing - unlike the Suns they not only try but they have great defensive schemes, they move well, they make great rotations and they can play both small and big. Also the Warriors have 2 playmakers on the floor, whereas the Suns relied solely on Nash to create. Nash was never the offensive threat that Steph is and once the ball was out of his hands someone was shooting it. With the Warriors - they move the ball much better as a team and they also have Draymond who helps creating as much or more than Steph. That's a huge difference because if you trapped Nash and he gave it to Amare he'd look to score and score only, while if you do this with Steph the ball goes to Draymond who'd start the ball movement just as well. You could beat the Suns allowing Amare to score, but you can't beat the Warriors in the same way, not even close.
They have the league's best offensive player in Curry.
How the are the Sons anything like the Warriors? The Warriors are elite defensively, the Suns didn't even try to play defense. Stoudemire and Nash are about the two worst defensive players I have ever seen.
I'm fairly certain neither Stoudemire or Nash play for the Suns anymore. Baseline, you are slipping breh. Mixing present and past like they are relevant to each other...
You could say they are hydra.
They molded Draymond in the Diaw blueprint, and surrounded him with shooters to find the best shot. They stole the Miami model (forward surrounded with shooters), the Spurs 2013-14 model (ball movement and shooters, with Diaw's playmaking taking it to another level) and made it their own to suit their talents.
Defensively they have capable guys at each position and switch and help, are hyperactive. They are a deep team too, so they can throw fresh bodies out there without slowing the pace (a Spurs 2013-14 feature).
However, they remain mostly a jumpshooting team, and have a weakness in that they are too perimeter based to really stop a true scoring big man without doubling him. They had to double Memphis' bigs, but Memphis was doomed bc they could not knock down outside shots. That is just one example.
Despite their defensive metrics and what not, all their best players are perimeter. A big man that can punish them will give them fits, will get Draymond in foul trouble (their playmaker and probably their 2nd best player. From there on, if you play Bogut it changes the dynamic. Once Bogut is in, you have to figure out if you can get away with playing our twin towers. The perimeter guys have to play passing lanes, and contest the 3.
You have to play the famous "wall" defense... stay in front of your man, do not double.
Our nemesis with GSW are shooters coming off screens.
Tough team, but not an impossible task. I believe Kawhi and this team can get it done.
But Nash did play for the Nash led Suns op posted about.
Warriors are champions ... Suns never were
Warriors vs spurs.. the real nba finals
Agreed. I thought the Suns did a better job of moving the ball around the perimeter though; and the Warriors have nothing that rivals that pick n' roll by Nash and Stoudemire. Nor is Curry getting into the lane like Nash did.
Neither were the 2002 Kings; it doesn't mean I wouldn't take them over the 2016 Warriors.
Boris hip check will not be effective. All that fat will absorb the momentum.
The truth is of course, Spurs could be one hip check away from winning the championship. If this happens, you'll see West ejected but most likely D. Green will be also be ejected!
I still think you cannot replicate championship DNA ... the Warriors have it and considering their play this season so far I think they are one of the toughest challenges ever for the Spurs.
We have high hopes right now because the Spurs just blow up/out their opponents ... but the schedule was sooo easy that there are just too many question marks if they can compete with a healthy Warriors team.
I am getting more confident ... really look forward the games against the Clips and the Pacers in that regard.
Boris hip check will not be effective. All that fat will absorb the momentum.
The truth is of course, Spurs could be one hip check away from winning the championship. If this happens, you'll see West ejected but most likely D. Green will be also be ejected!
Spurs will take out GSW by posting up Green and Curry. Place either in foul trouble and the game will be over. The Spurs pace is near slowest in league, that's because they spend a lot of time wearing out the defense with their offense. Suns "7 seconds or less" isn't what the Spurs do, Spurs will take 15-20 seconds off the clock, while their defenders chase players all over the court.
Warriors are giving up 102.2 pts per game...
The 05' Suns gave up 103 pts per game...
My point was the Suns teams were GREAT teams who played a style that took the NBA by storm. They probably would've won a le but they ended up playing the team built to beat them.
This stat is for all the morons I've been fighting with all along that have been trying to convince me the Warriors have a good defense.
What's next, are they going to try to convince me the Warriors play a pace even faster than the SSOL Suns?The point differential would indicate that the Warriors have a better offense than those Suns, though, and it's not really even that close. Sorry, Nash.
Agree. And all those things with one of the fastest pace and highest efficiency in the league.
2013-14 Boris can't run like the Warriors do, that's why it's amazing how well they adapted those schemes to their personnel.
WTF? The whole point of the thread is comparing past to present.
You do understand that calling a player GOAT means comparing him to past players, like they are relevant to each other?
I'm rarely speechless, but your comment was just a whole new level of bizarre. I pray that you get the help you need.
Suns on steroids
They will. The Spurs are the toughest matchup for them, we're pretty damn versatile, 3/4 elite post players, 2/3 elite mid range shooters, 3/4 good 3's shooters, we can play bigs in the paint, can play small ball, can opt to shoot from mid range...
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