What if Jimmer became an actor? In a basketball movie. Do you think he'd be good in that? I really want Jimmer to succeed at something for spurtacular's sake.
How many more seasons do you think he needs to fulfill his potential?
What if Jimmer became an actor? In a basketball movie. Do you think he'd be good in that? I really want Jimmer to succeed at something for spurtacular's sake.
I think it's time for Spurtacular and ChumpDumper to have a wager regarding whether or not Jimmer makes it back into the NBA this year.
Now now, what would Joseph Smith say if he heard you speaking like that?
Jimmer Fredette had the perfect chance with the Spurs to redeem his career. It did not happen.
A shooter being waived by the Spurs is "damaged goods". If Fredette can't cut it with the Spurs then he certainly can't cut it with other NBA teams.
My father still believes that Jeff Fischer is the only thing that stopped Vince Young from dominating the NFL. It's like that with Spurtacular.
In all due respect, Williams was atrocious on D. Jimmer is a slightly below avg defender in the NBA. But yeah, that does meet the SPurs minimum standard as they require players to play at least above avg NBA defense. Expections would be Beli and Bonner, but their offensive shooting made up for their defensive lapses.
Problem was, you saw Jimmer trying to change his release while playing with the Spurs. It was like 5x faster than his normal release, but the dude was only shooting like 21% from 3.
As I mentioned before, due to the horrible play of Simmons and the pedestrian play of Anderson in the preseason, it forced Pop to have to keep Butler and cut Jimmer. If Simmons and KA played in the preseason like they are now, there is no doubt in my mind Jimmer would have made the team as a project player. But at the time, it wasn't a luxury the Spurs were afforded. And the moved paid off as Butler has been more than solid and allowed Simmons and KA to play less early so that they could work on improving their game. Plus having Butler still allows Manu to play hardly any minutes some games and also take games off.
I believe Jimmer will be available next year if the Spurs want to give him another shot if Ray doesn't pan out.
Williams totally outplayed Jimmer in the preseason. That's why he got cut. Butler REALLY outplayed him. , Jimmer was probably tied with Sykes for worst player on that roster. There was no way he was making the team with that performance.
William did not. Williams was worse than Jimmer. Butler hardly played, but when he did, he showed what he was capable of. Pop gave most of the minutes at SG and SF coming off the bench to Simmons and KA and they both has very poor showings.
Pop himself said he thought Jimmer did well, but the Spurs didn't need him and had other needs to address and that is why he got cut, which I believe he was directly referring to Manu as being the only proven backup SG/SF on the team at the time with Simmons/KA ting the bed in the preseason and Butler not even playing the Spurs system before this TC. I tend to believe Pop. Jimmer was not that bad. He was no worse than Mills when first joined the team. Spurs just didn't have the luxury to develop another Mills.
I suppose the heir of infallibility is hubris.
Ray already isn't panning out. I think Jimmer has better IQ than Ray, but Jimmer is equally a liability in defense.
The weirdest lineup though was that of both Jimmer and Patty at the court at the same time.
PATFO had some idea when they signed Jimmer, what that was is hard to tell. I however just don't see that now.
LOL.
Well done, sir.
I agree. I think there were definite worries about those two being quality rotation players; and the early season rotations (Simmons being benched and KA on a short leash) reflected that. I was mad about keeping Butler over Jimmer; but I'd be remiss if I didn't admit it's payed some dividends. I think the problem is that PATFO wasn't serioiusly looking at it as Ray vs. Jimmer when they should've been on that contingency.
Preseason; Ray and Jimmer were about the same on defense. Jimmer's defense has actually been a bit better in the d-league. I take that with a grain of salt given the competish; but he's playing passing lanes better and looking more comfortable. Therefore it was an offensive evaluation; and there is nothing that Ray does that Jimmer can't do and more. Putting Jimmer on the floor with four high quality players instead of the scrubs he played with preseason is a recipe for a ton of points in a hurry. That's not the case with Ray. Ray will never be anything more than "serviceable."
I think you're very noticeably/belligerently bias on the subject, tbh. Jimmer was above Sykes. And really, the sample size was not that great.
Terrible analogy. But at least I know what you're trying to say.
Not sure how many ST'ers see it that way; but it'll be interesting to see what people think down the line. At this point, Ray hasn't really needed to pan out (all other guards being healthy); so, I don't think it's an issue on a lot of people's radars.
Let's assume that everything you say in this post and the one directly above it is absolutely true. Even in that best case for Jimmer view of the world, the best you can say is that he should have been kept ahead of Ray for the 15th spot on the roster. Which is to say he's a fringe NBA player who will be fighting with the likes of McCollum, Butler, and Williams for minimum salary, end of the bench roster spots for as long as he's able to remain associated with the NBA. He really needs to look into opportunities in leagues in Europe and China where he can make some real money and play something resembling the style of ball he played in college.
I'll now leave you to your obsession.
Over simplification, dude. Had the Spurs kept Jimmer, his ceiling was not fringe player. He has stated his goal to be a NBA rotation player. If he had wanted to bolt overseas rather than achieve that goal, he would've done so.
He wouldn't have played ahead of Parker and Mills any more than Ray has. Jimmer needs to set more realistic goals or change his game. BYU/Westchester Jimmer will never be a rotation player in the NBA. That ship has sailed.
I think we can agree that the Spurs rotation is a littler harder to crack than most. But Jimmer like Ray would've played when guards had DNPs.
Sure. If they chose him over Ray, he'd get the same 15th man minutes that Ray is getting. Ray isn't a rotation player on the Spurs and Jimmer wouldn't be either. I won't be shocked if Jimmer gets a call up, especially once 10 day contracts are possible in January. I will be shocked if any NBA team ever gives him the keys to the offense to play the way he's playing with Westchester. His NBA future, if he's to have one, will have to be based on an ability to play off the ball and knock down 3 pointers.
His time is running out. There are very few examples of guys his age that fallen out of the league making their way back. I can't think of any top 10 pick that busted out and returned later.
I have no problem with your opinion. Some might say Jimmer is fighting an uphill battle. I disagree with those saying it's not possible is all.
I haven't read all 3000+ posts, but anyone saying it's impossible is just trolling you. He almost made the Spurs this year, he's among the best players in the Dleague and there are usually a few dozen call-ups each season. It won't be a shock if some team takes a flyer on him once 10 day contracts are possible.
I do believe that he's facing a huge uphill battle if his goal is to become a rotation player in the NBA playing the way he played at BYU or the way he's playing with Westchester. That's an extremely unrealistic goal, imo.
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