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It's like saying Jews and Christians believe the same thing. Jews do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God.
But they're the same guy, right?
It's like saying Jews and Christians believe the same thing. Jews do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God.
They are three persons in one God.
I'm asking you -- Jesus is still God though, right?
So, same God.
I don't see the disconnect really. Could easily be the same God for everyone.
it's really the same God, the faiths just differ greatly on the details of that God. Her calling Muslims "people of the book" is ridiculous from a supposed Christian, though.
Not really. That's what Muslims call Christians too. All has to do with det Abraham.
"the book" can't be both the Bible and the Quran
Muslims are the only people who refer to all of the adherants to any abrahamic religions as people of the book.
Jesus is one of three persons in God. The others are the Father and the Holy Spirit.
Maybe "the book" is the Bible in this case.
"The" doesn't have to mean "THE."
Apparently a Christian did. Does it mean she's not Christian anymore?Muslims are the only people who refer to all of the adherants to any abrahamic religions as people of the book.
So they aren't the same person but the same dude?
This is confusing.
Chump, if you have a sincere desire to learn about Jesus, any Christian will be happy to share his/her faith with you. But if you're baiting, please just give it up. This is not something to joke about.
It is genuinely confusing when you think about it.
If it's all the same god, is Big G God talking to himself when it's Jesus talking to God?
So GOVERNMENT is only good when it pushes YOUR agenda, YOUR belief system, YOUR ideals... GOT it. IF it doesn't then you would rather (like any simpleton) equate it to barbaric terror groups like the Taliban, or their horrific-ultra restrictive way of life (Sharia).
The way I see it, the only Christians you don't hate are the ones that don't wear their Christianity like a badge of honor - in which case anyone could raise the question if they were even Christians to begin with.
I will continue voting the way I see fit - and anytime you complain about Christians lobbying or promoting their own views I will continue to call you out on your tyrannical hypocritical stance (that you would rather we had no such rights at all).
you're ed up, like most die-hard religionists.So GOVERNMENT is only good when it pushes YOUR agenda, YOUR belief system, YOUR ideals... GOT it. IF it doesn't then you would rather (like any simpleton) equate it to barbaric terror groups like the Taliban, or their horrific-ultra restrictive way of life (Sharia).
The way I see it, the only Christians you don't hate are the ones that don't wear their Christianity like a badge of honor - in which case anyone could raise the question if they were even Christians to begin with.
I will continue voting the way I see fit - and anytime you complain about Christians lobbying or promoting their own views I will continue to call you out on your tyrannical hypocritical stance (that you would rather we had no such rights at all).
I have an anti-agenda, supporting the govt blocking, Cons utionally, your Christian supremacist agenda. America isn't Christian country, and was not founded as a Christian country.
I don't care if Christians parade around, proudly (pride is a sin in the Bible, "some say" was the Original Sin) Pharisaical-ly with their Christianity as a badge of honor. Just don't push Christianity as a state religion, don't push the Bible into taxpayer funded schools as literally unchallengeable history, science, cosmology. Then I, and 10Ms others, get pissed off.
You can vote however the you want to vote, even vote for Christian Taliban supremacists like Krazy Kruz and his strategy of Christian sharia.
Last edited by boutons_deux; 12-17-2015 at 10:24 AM.
Is water, ice, and steam all H2O? Ever heard of the triple point? Where H2O can take on the form of any of those phases?
Another example is our Federal Government system. Judicial, Executive and Legislative branches ALL form part of the government and are considered government en ies but their role in the government is different.
The GODHEAD has three different en ies that perform distinct roles. They've established the parameters/criteria by which they operate - but any of the en ies is all-powerful in a stand-alone context.
You must understand that you are talking about an en y that far transcends our own limitations (in time/space/physical dimensions) as well as our thinking. In fact, our logic cannot fully comprehend HIS state-of-being, HIS greatness, HIS glory, HIS grandeur, HIS purpose, or HIS ways. To suggest that because we can't fully fathom the structure of HIS being as being proof of a flaw in HIS perfect divine nature is like an ant questioning the climate around him (the ant has neither the comprehension, nor the tools, nor the understanding-of-scale to even begin to question "what" weather is - let alone the dynamics that govern it).
Last edited by Phenomanul; 12-17-2015 at 11:21 AM.
That's just it: YOU are the most die-hard "religionist" here on this forum. Except YOUR religion is "contempt for all other established religions" (especially Christianity). That you can't see THAT is hypocritical at best - but mainly just sad that you would let it drive you to such bitterness. What's weird is that you would then take a position to defend the violence of ISLAM over Christian ideals (love your neighbor as thyself, turn the other cheek, love thine enemy, etc...).
And it's YOU who have it all twisted up. To state the phrase "wear Christianity like a badge of honor" doesn't mean that Christians that are emblematical about of their beliefs go around "judging or condemning" those that aren't. It is merely an observation that perhaps the latter group hasn't fully surrendered their lives to GOD's purpose because GOD calls us to be "the light of the world" because a "city on a hill cannot be hid". Those that call themselves Christians HENCE should not be ashamed of being an ambassador of CHRIST. If they're not ashamed of HIM, THEN likely (as in, IT LOGICALLY FOLLOWS) they wouldn't hide their allegiance towards JESUS CHRIST. If their allegiance isn't hidden THEN (IT LOGICALLY FOLLOWS) that they wear their Christianity like "a badge of honor". Geeesh... it is really not that hard to understand...!!!
BUT NO, it is conveniently easy for YOU to generalize and clump Christians in a way that equates our opposition to something as hatred for it. Position on sexuality being exhibit A. I don't condone sexuality or agree with it, because it is explicitly called abominable by GOD - BUT (and listen closely to this part) that doesn't mean I HATE sexuals or am unable to LOVE them. It is sooooooooooo freaking easy for you to eat up the great LIE that somehow Christians hate sinners. What's laughable is that you can't understand that a true Christian understands that he himself IS a sinner in dire need of Christ's redemption ("don't worry about the fleck in your brother's eyes when you have a plank sticking out of yours" comes to mind). YES I AM a SINNER. THAT'S WHY I FELLOWSHIP AT CHURCH. THAT'S WHY I PRAY AND SEEK THE LORD. THAT'S WHY I WORSHIP GOD... THAT'S WHY I CONSTANTLY PROFESS THE NEED OF HIS PRESENCE in my life. But somehow all of that offends you because you would rather look down at me under the premise that I am a deluded, ignorant, weak-minded simpleton - rather than as someone who can be a positive impact in the community.
Groups made up by people of your "ilk" are the ones that go and yell things at us when we are at the prisons trying to help the prisoners better their lives, to seek peace and forgiveness in GOD. THEY SAY WE CAN'T DO THAT. THEY would rather we do nothing and let the recidivism rates of inaction promote the vicious circle that entangles criminals - all to the detriment of society. IT is that sort of irrational hatred which I simply have no patience for and YOU embody that position day-in, day-out in this forum. OPEN YOUR EYES to the hypocrisy of your position. IF you want us to "live and let die" THEN you need to let us "live and let die".
Last edited by Phenomanul; 12-17-2015 at 10:52 AM.
It's good when church and state are separated.
Forgot to address this tidbit which is invalidated by the very first do ent issued as a nation.... The Declaration of Independence...
"IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God en le them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are ins uted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to ins ute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world..."
It's pretty clear to me... that belief in GOD factored heavily into how our nation was constructed and shaped. That you would simply gloss over that... well... that's just convenient.
Excellent topic.
Do you believe it's ok for a Christian baker to deny baking a cake for gays for the sole reason being that it's abominable to his God?
I don't see the reference to a Christian God there.
You and your strawmen.
Do you believe it was right for that couple of gays to sue for over $100,000 because they couldn't get their cake at THAT ONE STORE (being that there were 11 other such stores in the vicinity?) [and in the process drive those business owners into bankruptcy?]... What a great couple!
I don't need to go -tat with you. I don't really have the time to start the whole, "I have to answer Blake's posts, Chumps' posts, boutons' posts" and every other person who feels the need to enter the "discussion" simply to throw their barbs into the fray. And then when I miss a post, they get all demonstrative and demanding "Answer my post, damn it!!!". From a practical standpoint, I can't keep up with it all. I just can't.
Have a Merry Christmas! and a Happy New Year with your loved ones Blake. I sincerely mean that (despite our many butting of heads).
Last edited by Phenomanul; 12-17-2015 at 11:25 AM.
The Christian GOD as described in the Bible... Created man, Created Nature. Endowed man with free-will (Liberty)... The connection is elegantly simple even if not EXPLICIT.
So God intentionally makes himself confusing with his multiple personality shenanigans.
It's just as easy to believe he is Muslim God too. After all, you can't dare to comprehend him.
this sites the catholic pope when getting suspended by a protestant ins ution.
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