Well... it's not confusing to me....
You said you wanted a sincere answer. I gave you one. And you retort with your typical derision and dismissiveness.
That said... Have a Merry Christmas! and a Happy New Year with your loved ones ChumpDumper...
I came to the very logical conclusion that since God simply can't be understood by folk like us it's just as easy to believe he's Muslim God in addition to all the God everyone else says he is.
If you try to make up a reason why he shouldn't be, you just don't understand God.
you need to look up the definition of strawman. I asked you a question for discussion sake; but you do what most messageboard Christians end up doing: get butthurt and throw a hissy fit as they walk out of the thread.
The moral turpitude of the gay couple is irrelevant. I believe they the had the right to sue on grounds of bigoted discrimination.
as an aside, the moral turpitude of the bakery owner is deplorable. There's no "loving the sinner" there. that hypocritical piece of .
Seriously? You don't understand the concept of the Trinity?
Fully man and fully God...is that too confusing for you?
God sent part of himself to kill himself because he came up with a strange rule that requires blood sacrifice when rules that he made up get broken.
Perfectly logical stuff.
how about Mary's parthenogenesis for "logical"? which is really the early Church hucksters going full anti-women and denying that Rabbi Christ was the result of filthy human (female) sex.
You think Jesus committed suicide?
Who's logic? Your own?
And don't lump me with your "us" crowd. I do understand it. It's simple for me. Can my father be both a father, a son and a husband? CERTAINLY. Do his actions under each of those roles differ? CERTAINLY. AND YET... He is still ONE and the same person.
SIMPLE. LOGIC. REALLY.
You make it "hard" only out of convenience... Thinking that GOD's grandeur relative to us, is a fault on HIS perfect nature is silly at best... You don't wish to understand because it suits your general disbelief on all such matters not to. And that's ok, if you genuinely feel that way... just don't be disingenuous about it.
Sure. Multiple Personality Disorder God.
Sure. I see plenty of people who talk to themselves around Austin.Fully man and fully God...is that too confusing for you?
I'm not going to worship any of them.
So he can be Muslim God too.
Cool.
lol making yourself look semi re ed isn't your normal trolling style. It's good that you're adding some variety to your life though.
Here's one prof that you paranoid rightwingnuts would like and defend
College Moves To Fire Sandy Hook Truther Who Allegedly Harassed Victim's Family
Florida Atlantic University recommended Wednesday that a professor who insists the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre never happened be terminated after the parents of one of the victims accused him of harassment, according to a CBS affiliate.
James Tracy, an associate professor in FAU's School of Communication & Multimedia Studies, has 10 days to appeal the university's decision, according to WFOR's report.
The termination notice came almost a week after the parents of Noah Pozner, a 6 year-old who was killed in the shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, published an op-ed in the Fort Lauderdale Sun Sentinel that accused Tracy of harassing them for proof that their son was once alive.
Lenny and Veronique Pozner called for repercussions for Tracy's actions from the university in the op-ed, which was published on the third anniversary of the shooting that left 26 people, including 20 children, dead.
"FAU has a civic responsibility to ensure that it does not contribute to the ongoing persecution of the countless Americans who’ve lost their loved ones to high-profile acts of violence," they wrote.
The university had previously reprimanded Tracy in 2013 for posting on his personal blog that the Sandy Hook shooting was likely staged. The university said at the time that Tracy didn't make it clear enough that he was not speaking on the college's behalf, according to the Sun Sentinel.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewir...+%28TPMNews%29
1) It's a strawman - because we weren't discussing the gay couple who chose to sue the baker. You wanted to erect an argument that would be easy for you to topple down given that you are basing it on ease at which anyone can pick at the corrupted sinful nature of man (in this case the baker - he, like all of us is imperfect). The baker was not the embodiment of the argument I was making. Hence by knocking him down (specifically his behavior) you feel you are knocking down my original argument - which is a stretch at best.
2) LOL at your infatuation with the word butthurt...
3) I didn't throw a "hissy fit". I simply responded that the logistics of me trying to respond to everyone's posts is too much for me manage with everything else on my plate. I don't see you chastising boutons for his constant hissy fits. He is the first person that comes to mind when I hear of "Tourette's Syndrome". He is mad at everything, everyone - but above all republicans and Christians... doubly if they're both.
Again, Merry Christmas!!!
You're disingenuously watering it down to suit yourself (again).
NO... The GOD of the Bible is not Allah of the Q'ran. If you actually read both texts side by side you would CLEARLY see this. Sorry, I can't do the reading for you.
Multiple Personality Disorder God is a pretty re ed concept tbh. It's good that Christians added some variety to their lives though.
Why not?
You can't limit God to that one book. You can't understand everything the old man is up to. You're a fool if you think you can.
Playing on your "jump to conclusions mat" again boutons?
Stickin with it huh? I respect your commitment. Is this just a Christmas special thing or can we look forward to more after New Years?
Religious people stick with their stupid beliefs. I respect their commitment.
Now you're just stretching the argument.
The last book of the Biblical canon... The Book of Revelation states that:
"(18) I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; (19) and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book."
To have another, entirely different REVELATION about GOD's nature with an entirely different eschatology - one which points to characters from the Judaic and Christian texts BUT in entirely different light would run counter to prior revelations about HIS nature. This isn't a Tobey Maguire --> Andrew Garfield rescripting of characters either. GOD's nature is entirely different in the Qur'an when compared against the Bible.
Well if we're under the assumption that Bible God can see the future, then yeah.
So did the majority of the Mediterranean before Paul then Constantine and their cronies got involved.
Once Nicaea was created they tried to play thought police for the entire world legitimizing Paul's proselytization and version of Jesus. The nature of Jesus and everything else was widely disputed at those first councils. Rome consolidated power along with Nicaea though and then systemically obliterated any apparent conflicting idea.
Book burnings were common. Libraries around the region were burned including the one in Alexandria. All works on rotational motion, foci were destroyed because they conflicted with their flat earth theory. Ultimately bishops that did not fall in line were marginalized and in cases regarding the nature of Jesus snuffed out.
Reading the gospels and how Matthew starts out with genealogy and bull . It's so obviously contrived.
Bible: claims that Joseph left at the behest of angels because Herod was personally after him
More likely reality: He was one of thousands of Jews who fled Judea when Herod invaded.
Bible: God knocks up Mary
More likely reality: Joseph has sex with Mary sometime before they decide to return to Judea. Perhaps in celebration of the news of Herod's death when they decide to return to Judea.
Bible: All kinds of people throw a big party for his birthday.
More likely reality: Jesus is born on the road still a refugee before they can return to temple. This is unacceptable to the priests and they refuse to allow him to perform rites. He would not have been allowed to marry in their temple. Puts communion in perspective for me.
Bible: John immediately called Jesus master.
More likely reality: In the city where Joseph worked he could learn the trade but they would not let him work nor find a wife. He instead left the city and took up with John who was by the nearby river playing water shaman and starting a movement in the countryside. John taught him said anti-Pharisee shamanism. John started the movement converting judean farmers out by the river.
Bible: Jesus was already master when John went to prison.
More likely reality: This was Jesus big break. He was John's top dog at that point and now started to lead. He starts expanding and going to Galilee continuing to convert people. He starts doing John's rituals in the lake out there and hits the jackpot converting the head of the fisherman group who was tired of paying the pharisees their catch too.
The religion at this point would be infinitely appealing to the local populace. Herod had brought the Roman's with him and the Pharisees couldn't do a lot of their property confiscations under Roman law. Jesus basically was saying "Don't go to the temple on sabbath and instead have supper with us. "Take your offering and join with the 100's of others. We have tons of fish and farm produce!"
John the Baptist himself seemed able to write and they converted plenty of people that could. Matthew was a tax collector as well and he seemed to follow Jesus around and write down anytime he seemed to say anything prophetic. The Muslims did the same thing with the Hadith.
Anyway at this point he's a regional celebrity in Judea and Galilee so he goes back to Jerusalem and confronts his old tormentors famously. He ends up breaking Roman Law in the confrontation and ultimately is crucified.
How you get from that to the Bible with it's multiple required sacrifices for salvation and authoritarianism is an interesting story too.
I asked for your opinion on it. That's all. A question isn't an argument in most cases, definitely not in this one.
In the midst of your avalanche of words, I forgot why I asked for it......and I'm not going back to look for it because I know how it'll end, so we'll let it die.
2) LOL at your infatuation with the word butthurt...
3) I didn't throw a "hissy fit". I simply responded that the logistics of me trying to respond to everyone's posts is too much for me manage with everything else on my plate. I don't see you chastising boutons for his constant hissy fits. He is the first person that comes to mind when I hear of "Tourette's Syndrome". He is mad at everything, everyone - but above all republicans and Christians... doubly if they're both.
Again, Merry Christmas!!!you've thrown more messageboard hissy fits than I care to count.
again merry Christmas dammit!!!!!!!!!
His nature is also pretty inconsistent within them Bible, so I don't see your point.
Wheaton College says view of Islam, not hijab, got Christian teacher suspended
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-wheaton-college-professor-larycia-hawkins-20151216-story.html
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