USA has never demanded that stuff from the murderous dictators USA has installed and supported over the decades.
Of course they are willing to work with West if West commits to stop Russia from pounding that ass.
Al Sham met with all other rebel factions in Saudi Las week. They quit the talks early because they were not happy where the conversation was leading (a possible cease fire). They also issued a statement saying Syria and all of it must become .an Islamic State ruled by Sharia law. Or else the peace
I posted that entire statement here tbh
Here it is again for those who missed it
Al Sham is an Al Qaeda ally as well as ally of the West:
Ahrar al-Sham commander Abu Khalid al-Suri once proclaiming his allegiance to al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri.
Ahrar al-Sham, a band of Islamist rebels who have fought with al Qaeda will be allowed to join the next round of negotiations in Saudi
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/1...190901348.html
http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/12/04/...aker-in-syria/
A former Nusra fighter who has now left the war said Nusra and Ahrar once had strong relations.
"All I know is that Nusra sees Ahrar as their source for weapons, especially in some battles," he said. "They are moving away from military work and putting their strength in administrating liberated areas."
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mi...0RM0EZ20150922
Al Sham's recent pullout of peace talks and Statement regarding Syria Islamic State:
A key Syrian opposition group, Ahrar al-Sham, has withdrawn from a Saudi Arabia-hosted conference to try to unite the factions fighting against the Syrian government before potential talks with representatives of President Bashar al-Assad.
The armed rebel group announced it was quitting the three-day Riyadh-based talks on Thursday because the meeting "had given top key roles to the National Coordination Committee and other figures who are considered supporters of the regime."
Largest “moderate” group in Syria calls for “an Islamic state” in country, Sharia law imposed in Northern Aleppo
their statement:
1. All Iranian and Russian military personnel must leave Syria.
2.The Syrian Arab Army (SAA) should be disbanded, along with their paramilitary units – they reference the Shabiha.
3. All of Syria shall be united – no par ion.
4. Syria will become an Islamic state.
5. No negotiations with the Syrian Government.
6. Fighting ISIS is secondary because rebels have lost family members because of the war with the Syrian Army.
http://off-guardian.org/2015/12/10/l...rthern-aleppo/
Go terrorists I guess
Didn't really have a "so". I think Syria as a nation is pretty much finished, at least in my lifetime.
I don't think there is much of an alternative to Assad, given the Russian/Iranian/Hezbollah support.
I don't expect anyone that I would really approve of.
Thorny problem. Be happy to hear your solution, if you have one, because I have a hard time seeing how this is should play out. Lots of bad options.
So you admit that overthrowing Saddam was ed? I not sure I am following you here.
Pretty much. Not that you will ever get Wild Cobra to admit that. Easier to play the victim game than to pony up an explanation.
Iraq was doing great until a Democrat became president.
So do you think Assad is better than ISIS? Seems like both are intent on murdering just about everybody, as are the moderate rebels.WC with them truth nukes.
These posters here think the world is black and white like in a Disney space epic
Just look at Idlib the Rebel "liberated" city. It's Sharia law and women have to be covered Taliban style.
Look at the Al Sham rebel group. Called by US their biggest ally in Syria. Al Sham is also allied with Alqaeda and said Syria better becoma an Islamic State or else
What is your preferred result here? Do you even have one?
I know my preferred result is Assad stays in power, I'd much rather see a secular than Islamic dictator. Even better that it's not a secular US puppet so that Russia can be the lightning rod blamed by the jihadi gots.
that , just hand Syria over to ISIS?
The word out of the Russian camps is that they are floating a deal where they take Assad and his family, no Hague, and democratic UN transition. Arab League says they are fine with that.
MB will obviously be a major player but unlike Iraq this is actually the historic Kurdish homeland and they will have a significant political presence. Turkey won't like it but ultimately the PKK types will leave the hills once again. They've been suppressed for over a century and I think as a people compared to their contemporaries they show marked restraint.
Of course he is better. He ruled for decades a secular Syria where Christians, Muslims and even Jews lived peacefully. I been there beautify place.
Are yu seriously comparing Assad to ISIS????
Dubya is having a cozy retirement away from his war crimes. So will Obomber and Shillary btw.
Besides. Assad is not going anywhere anytime soon. As long as Russian air force is there tbqh.
I thought that was the new and correct plan or did something change since Tuesday? http://nypost.com/2015/12/16/america...in-wins-again/
Go to the 3 minute mark to see current life in Damascus under Assad
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/fi...-assads-syria/
You got a better option than Assad?
See above, already mostly answered.
Short answer: No, not while Russia and Iran are still propping him up. No viable alternative will emerge. Anybody who might be worth a has already fled for their lives in all likelihood.
As I said above, a difficult intractable problem. I do get some schadenfruede out of watching Russia get bogged down in the ME, though.
Yes. See the OP. They are both morally repugnant, ISIS more so.Of course he is better. He ruled for decades a secular Syria where Christians, Muslims and even Jews lived peacefully. I been there beautify place.
Are yu seriously comparing Assad to ISIS????
He was better than ISIS, but has done some ty things to cling to power, something you seem to be less than honest about admitting to.
Why is that?
Yeah death, destruction & chaos are enjoyable things to watch.
ISIS will disappear the second Assad is overthrown and not a second sooner. Then they'll create the next bogeyman on Saudi Arabia's hitlist.
It's amusing that when a dem is in power the local GOP supports our foreign enemies. The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend as US foreign policy has been slow to learn so has our local GOP groupthink.
ISIS will not disappear if Assad leaves.
ISIS wants Syrian land as part of their caliphate.
Sorry but there have been two areas that UN has declared as nation states where no such nation exists. Nobody gives a about Somalia. All of the other Arabian revolutions led to democratic regime change like in west africa or violent repression, Iran and Saudi Arabia. Syria's army couped. It is what it is.
A power vacuum in the old ottoman province of Levant that we fragmented to shoehorn in Israel isn't a boogeyman. They are even using the same battle calls that the Ottoman's used to call jihadis when the Duke of Austria and the Czar's came over 300 years ago. The Hadith and what it represents has even entered the US consciousness because they don't want to call su ion to their own holy books.
It's a nice cognitive dissonance stew. I need someone else to tell me how it isn't a war of ideology again.
That's what DOD is banking on. Unfortunately that's not how thinks work out. Al Qaeda did not dissapear after Afghanistan. Taliban did not dissapear after Affhanistan 2.\
They keep assembling these Frankenstein monsters thinking they will turn them off after the job is done. The West still doesn't realize these Frankensteins don't go away. They come back and turn against their creator
Plenty of dictators have clinged to power in a similar way and were supported by he USA.
Just look at Yemen. Their president was ousted and Saudi/US have been bombing the out of Yemen killing thousands of civilians and children. Helping him cling to power. Where is the outrage regarding the Saudi crimes against humanity in Yemen??? With full support from the US.
Maybe Ill go ahead and man a thread about it. Oh Wai I already did
Smh hypocrites
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