Bashar al-Assad’s crimes against humanity, caught on camera

[vy65]

Seems like both are intent on murdering just about everybody

Everybody?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Plenty of dictators have clinged to power in a similar way and were supported by he USA.

Just look at Yemen. Their president was ousted and Saudi/US have been bombing the out of Yemen killing thousands of civilians and children. Helping him cling to power. Where is the outrage regarding the Saudi crimes against humanity in Yemen??? With full support from the US.


Maybe Ill go ahead and man a thread about it. Oh Wai I already did

Smh hypocrites

All that and no mention of Iran setting up proxies there. How novel.

[hater]

All that and no mention of Iran setting up proxies there. How novel.

and Saudi does not setup proxies in Syria?

[hater]

Everybody?

Apparently Assad is the second coming of Count Dracula

[FuzzyLumpkins]

and Saudi does not setup proxies in Syria?

they have proxies in yemen too. that is besides the point.

you think that this will disguise your obvious lack of objectivity?

[hater]

they have proxies in yemen too. that is besides the point.

you think that this will disguise your obvious lack of objectivity?

Who has proxies in Yemen. Saudi? no they have their direct air force bombing civilians and their occupation army killing children there

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Who has proxies in Yemen. Saudi? no they have their direct air force bombing civilians and their occupation army killing children there

Just because they use their own air force does not mean that there are no Sunni arabs in Yemen. Your dissembling into nuance is poorly done.

[Wild Cobra]

So you admit that overthrowing Saddam was ed? I not sure I am following you here.

Correct.

You are not following me. Maybe if for once in your life, you would stop assuming what people mean, and actually consider what they write, you would understand.

[Wild Cobra]

Iraq was doing great until a Democrat became president.

See.

There you go again. Assuming things not said. Confirmation Bias in full throttle!

My God. You and the others here are such losers.

[Wild Cobra]

that , just hand Syria over to ISIS?

Agreed.

If we attack anyone over there, it should be ISIS.

[Wild Cobra]

Of course he is better. He ruled for decades a secular Syria where Christians, Muslims and even Jews lived peacefully. I been there beautify place.

Are yu seriously comparing Assad to ISIS????

Good luck getting past his confirmation bias.

[Wild Cobra]

Go to the 3 minute mark to see current life in Damascus under Assad

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/fi...-assads-syria/

You got a better option than Assad?

Good find.

Those wanting to get rid of the likes of Assad, Qaddafi, etc. Only cherry pick the brutal justice against terrorist, and claim the terrorists are ordinary citizens just protesting.

The western lie shouldn't be believed.

[baseline bum]

Good find.

Those wanting to get rid of the likes of Assad, Qaddafi, etc. Only cherry pick the brutal justice against terrorist, and claim the terrorists are ordinary citizens just protesting.

The western lie shouldn't be believed.

And Saddam.

[Wild Cobra]

And Saddam.

Saddam didn't treat his people as well, but I don't make the claim we went into Iraq for humanitarian reasons. That's a liberal strawman.

I have stated why we went into Iraq on several occasions. It was for far different reasons than anything happening in Middle east countries since. I supported Iraq for those reasons, and have never supported regime change simply because we don't like a different culture's laws and justice.

[baseline bum]

Saddam didn't treat his people as well, but I don't make the claim we went into Iraq for humanitarian reasons. That's a liberal strawman.

I have stated why we went into Iraq on several occasions. It was for far different reasons than anything happening in Middle east countries since. I supported Iraq for those reasons, and have never supported regime change simply because we don't like a different culture's laws and justice.

You supported Iraq because it was Bush's war.

[Wild Cobra]

You supported Iraq because it was Bush's war.

Not true at all.

As long as you hold on to such misconceptions, there is no point in me reiterating why I supported it.

[baseline bum]

Not true at all.

As long as you hold on to such misconceptions, there is no point in me reiterating why I supported it.

You supported it because you're a diehard Republican, it's pretty obvious son.

[Wild Cobra]

You supported it because you're a diehard Republican, it's pretty obvious son.

Not true either.

Are you trying to prove yourself an idiot? making all these invalid assumptions?

[baseline bum]

Not true either.

Are you trying to prove yourself an idiot? making all these invalid assumptions?

Right, Republican Cobra

[Wild Cobra]

Right, Republican Cobra

I'm a libertarian. Not a republican.

Strike 3... You're out!

[baseline bum]

I'm a libertarian. Not a republican.

Strike 3... You're out!

We all believe you Republican Cobra

[Wild Cobra]

We all believe you Republican Cobra

You are all stupid.

[baseline bum]

You are all stupid.

OK Republican Cobra

[boutons_deux]

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/12/19...isis.html?_r=0

[mingus]

For whatever reasons he was for it Operation Iraqi Freedom was a huge mistake with really bad consequences for the people living in the region and around the world. IMO, the fate of that region was decided the moment we invaded Iraq.

Would keeping a large presence there have helped? I doubt it. ISIS still forms, if not in the Iraqi vac because of close proximity to US ground forces, then in one of the since then handful of other vacuums. Then, the frontlines get moved to those areas, and another war in the ME ensues for a decade. And we'd go right back to where we started. It's a never ending "game" of wack-a-mole/terrorist if we stay there.

By leaving we've taken the burden/toll of fighting terrorism virtually alone off of us and put needed burden/toll on other Arabs. It shifted war from being a "U.S. vs Muslim" (that's how terrorists propagandized it anyway to great effect) to a Muslim & West vs. Muslim Extremist war. That's a shift that needed to happen and I don't see it happening had Obama continued the occupation. So it was a good move. (EDIT: having said that, I don't think the shift was ever seen by Obama or ctually a part of his "grand plan." He probably thought Iraq was actually stable enough to leave and that we could pretty much turn the page there and see Iraq make progress without us, or some like that. So I'll credit him with making a good decision out ignorance).

The other thing about it is, we're probably never going to have an ideal ally in the ME. We'll virtually always disagree on Israel with them. And there's always gonna be terrorism coming out of the region on account of that too. Being that Israel is a free, thriving democracy, I think we'd be dumb to abandon them. But alliance with Israel and alliance with other Muslim-majority countries is not mutually exclusive. We've got those alliances already to prove it. Awkward and tenuous as they might be on the issue of Israel, the decimation of Israel isn't on the table. Whoever rises up to power in these vaccuums and fills the voids hopefully they see the bigger picture.