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    You acting the stupid ass.

    Thread getting crushed,,,,

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    俺はまんこが大好きなんだよ baseline bum's Avatar
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    You acting the stupid ass.
    But it's not an act with the parrot is it?

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    Congratulations. You must be so proud.
    I am, Cub. How do the Spurs keep doing it? Finding these unknowns and unheraldeds and assimilating them into the system? No need to tank when you're smarter than everyone else

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    That tanking is a huge disrespect to the fans, is not very motivating to buy season tickets to see phily and lakers doing that cheap disgusting thing.

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    That's a different but similar version of my proposal - which I agree with. It should be simple.

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    http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...hlight=Tanking

    I agree with the premise, disagree with the solution. I proposed a year ago that in order to do away with tanking you reverse the lottery structure you have now. Instead of giving the worst team to miss the playoffs the best chance at the number 1 pick, you give the best team to miss the playoffs the best chance.

    Not only does this take away incentive to tank (you'd be hurting your chances), it rewards teams that are on the cusp to help more teams take that next step or add that talented but cheap piece to provide more parity.

    Through FA bigger markets will continue to do well, but for the teams that are good at scouting but struggle to lure FA's, they can continue to add good, cheap talent and it rewards them for trying to compete and build.

    Some may argue that it will kill parity, but there isn't much parity now to be honest and rotten teams are usually rotten for multiple reason and stay that way unless really lucky. This system would create a more compe ive league than there is now and accomplish the goal of fixing tanking. At least from the bottom half (you can see a scenario a team on the cusp of the playoffs tanks at the very end to have the best record and miss the playoffs although they would be losing out on some serious money by not making it).

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    There should be a relegation system tbh

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    俺はまんこが大好きなんだよ baseline bum's Avatar
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    They never tanked. Bad teams don't always tank. They smartly developed their youth by actually letting them try to win and surrounding their best draft pick with complementary pieces.
    They definitely tanked in 2011-12, I remember Jeremy Tyler playing 40 minutes a night to end the season.

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    Terrible franchises like the Sixers and the Jim Buss-era Lakers have made a mockery of professional basketball with their blatant multiyear tanking plans. And with regional sports networks paying billions for the television rights of teams, it's pretty much a slap in the face to the network and the network's paying customers.

    I can hear Laker fans already, "You're just mad we're gonna be building a future!"

    Nope (you ever see Jerry West do this ?). Multiyear tanking plans have never worked. The Sixers have been doing this for nearly a decade, and not a thing has come from it. The Cavaliers post-Lebron tried it, and it didn't work. The Wolves have been doing it post-KG, and it hasn't worked. Granted, they're "decent," right now, but I don't see that as a success when you have like 20 number 1 picks on your roster.

    It's a cheap and lazy way to roster build and acquire assets. Teams who have FOs with great scouting, advanced metrics departments, player development systems are the teams that typically excel in the NBA. Teams with their lips stuck on the tanking teat just ensures those teams won't get off the proverbial welfare and be forever stuck in mediocrity.

    That said, I don't know how you fix this outside of a povertyball style relegation.
    In fairness it looks like his office was instrumental in getting new management in Philly. If you don't have systemic change then it needs to come from the ownership. The 76ers were just sold were they not?

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    俺はまんこが大好きなんだよ baseline bum's Avatar
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    So if you're the 8-seed do you try to maintain so you can get your teeth kicked in by Golden State in four, or do you tank to drop to the 9 seed and draft Simmons?

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    So if you're the 8-seed do you try to maintain so you can get your teeth kicked in by Golden State in four, or do you tank to drop to the 9 seed and draft Simmons?
    I guess the question is two-fold: would you rather make the playoffs, get your guys that experience while making the playoff money and get the 15th pick or get the best odds at the first pick (where it's not even guaranteed)?

    Also, good luck coaching guys to win all year then telling players to shut it down the last 2 games of the season.

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    I guess the question is two-fold: would you rather make the playoffs, get your guys that experience while making the playoff money and get the 15th pick or get the best odds at the first pick (where it's not even guaranteed)?

    Also, good luck coaching guys to win all year then telling players to shut it down the last 2 games of the season.
    There might be some jockeying for the nine seed via coaching, via cutting players, via re ed trade deadline deals, and so on. I'd much rather see bad teams tank than middle of the road teams. I still think a straight lottery is the best. If you have a rough season you're probably going to get a good pick, but no one is even thinking of missing the playoffs just to draft #7. If you're truly horrible you're probably not going to land that A+ talent that can turn your team around by himself, so you have lots of incentive to try to have a better year the next season.

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    You know how hard it would be to functionally tank in my system? Many times it comes down to the last game of the season to determine 8th seeds. You'd have to win enough alllll year long just to even have the shot to throw 2-4 games max at the end of the year IMO.

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    That tanking is a huge disrespect to the fans, is not very motivating to buy season tickets to see phily and lakers doing that cheap disgusting thing.
    You had no problem setting the mark with Robinson. You've nary in' room.

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    I am, Cub. How do the Spurs keep doing it? Finding these unknowns and unheraldeds and assimilating them into the system? No need to tank when you're smarter than everyone else
    You talked Diaw & Jackson into quitting on their teams and come and not quit on your team. Congratulations. You must be so proud.

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    Anyone remember my packet drafting idea.....Basically teams 1-7 get three picks in the top 30. 7-15 get two picks. Playoff teams don't need picks.

    Exclude teams from the lottery after they get a top pick..So you tank once, get new players and have no incentive to tank.
    I've seen some terrible ideas but this is without a doubt the worst one. If things worked out this way the Spurs would be without Parker and Leonard and light 3 les. This doesn't reward good FOs at all.

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    One solution is to start reducing the odds of getting top picks for teams who already had them. Team A gets 1 pick? Next year they should have a 0% chance at the top pick even if they were 0-82.

    Teams who are continuously at the bottom of the rankings despite getting top picks every year don't deserve to keep getting said picks.

    Of course I'm not against bad teams getting help with high draft picks after having a bad season or two, but teams who continuously try to milk the system by putting ty/low salary teams on the court need to be blocked from benefitting every year.


    I dislike that one tbh. It just encourages and rewards teams for tanking harder early then trying late. So the new "meta" is to lose as many as possible until you get eliminated, then trying hard. Meanwhile teams who try all season but can't get over the hump are still shafted. It doesn't really address tanking at all, merely the last month or so of the season would be more interesting while the first 3-4 will have more "pointless games with obvious outcomes".

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    The game isn't perfect, and it's never going to be where every game on the schedule is compe ive in the regular season. If you don't have the scouts or development team in place, you can't just go out and buy them because you cannot identify them. Even if you do both, you have to know they can work together, then know that your players can be coached. There's no objective indicator for that, you have to be able to read people.

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    Damn, Dale getting abused since coming back. Sad really. Following in Kobe's footsteps and embarrassing himself.

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    Damn, Dale getting abused since coming back. Sad really. Following in Kobe's footsteps and embarrassing himself.
    cubby used to be somebody, but ever since his boy went out in four he has become senile and bitter.

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    Damn, Dale getting abused since coming back. Sad really. Following in Kobe's footsteps and embarrassing himself.
    Yet another stupid ass comment from a stupid ass.

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    cubby used to be somebody, but ever since his boy went out in four he has become senile and bitter.
    I'll buy that.

    I don't hide my .

    It's my religion.

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    I'll buy that.

    I don't hide my .

    It's my religion.
    You do hide in it though. You're relentless about building a fortress of talk to hide within to avoid the truth of the situation, and only on occasion will you venture outside those walls.

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    You do hide in it though. You're relentless about building a fortress of talk to hide within to avoid the truth of the situation, and only on occasion will you venture outside those walls.
    Cite it.

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