Page 127 of 160 FirstFirst ... 2777117123124125126127128129130131137 ... LastLast
Results 3,151 to 3,175 of 3993
  1. #3151
    6X ST MVP
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Post Count
    81,091
    And the Bulls? And the Pelicans? And the Spurs? And the 30 NBA teams who won't sign Jimmer to a minimum contract.

    Yeah, it's a conspiracy to keep Jimmer from realizing his true potential.

    Let it go already.
    Those are a lot of broad sweeping over-stated statements; but it's nothing new around here. Jimmer is showing what he can do. Maybe, you should go back and watch those d-league games. I followed Jimmer; I don't have doubts about his abilities. He looked rusty or was otherwise just finding his way in Spurs training camp; and they decided that keeping Jimmer might be redundant if they had McCallum, and they needed a wing with length in Butler (With KA and Simmons sucking). That's just how the business goes sometimes. I know you want to overstate things; but what happened was not an indictment against Jimmer. If he had had the fully guaranteed contract and RM had the partial guaranteed contract or none at all, then it would have likely went the other way. Someone will pick up Jimmer in January; that's almost a given. And btw, I don't think you can say the Pels were that dissatisfied with Jimmer given that they gave him some play earlier this season when they had plenty of other options.
    Spurtacular is offline

  2. #3152
    Veteran Mel_13's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Post Count
    14,367
    At one point in his rookie season, Jimmer was given 4 starts in a row; he averaged 16.5 ppg on a 30.7 mpg. He shot well and played well. He showed what he could do when the Kings committed. Unfortunately, they were/are a dysfunctional organization.
    That same organization selected another guard 50 spots later in the same draft as Jimmer. That guy's making over 7M a year as a starting guard for an NBA.

    The blame game is played out. Let it go.

    In other news, Austin Daye just put up 28 points and 16 rebounds in an Italian League game. There's a good living to be made as a pro basketball player. Much better pay in Italy than in Westchester.
    Mel_13 is offline

  3. #3153
    6X ST MVP
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Post Count
    81,091
    That same organization selected another guard 50 spots later in the same draft as Jimmer. That guy's making over 7M a year as a starting guard for an NBA.

    The blame game is played out. Let it go.

    In other news, Austin Daye just put up 28 points and 16 rebounds in an Italian League game. There's a good living to be made as a pro basketball player. Much better pay in Italy than in Westchester.
    Yes, and that same guard did not actually outplay Jimmer when the decision was made to give him the lion's share of the minutes. And that same guard is one of the biggest defensive liabilities in the league and at one point was the worst defender in the league, imo.

    I don't see a point in worrying about overseas when Jimmer's current trajectory is to be back in the NBA and then to go from there.... Maybe, you should let it go.
    Spurtacular is offline

  4. #3154
    Veteran Mel_13's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Post Count
    14,367
    Yes, and that same guard did not actually outplay Jimmer when the decision was made to give him the lion's share of the minutes. And that same guard is one of the biggest defensive liabilities in the league and at one point was the worst defender in the league, imo.

    I don't see a point in worrying about overseas when Jimmer's current trajectory is to be back in the NBA and then to go from there.... Maybe, you should let it go.



    So Jimmer is better than Thomas? Okay.

    This only my 29th post. You can advise me to let it go when I get to 500, or even 100.
    Mel_13 is offline

  5. #3155
    Veteran Mel_13's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Post Count
    14,367
    Btw, Thomas has scored 30+ eleven times and has scored at least 20 on 117 occasions.
    Mel_13 is offline

  6. #3156
    Alleged Michigander ChumpDumper's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Post Count
    154,417
    He looked rusty or was otherwise just finding his way in Spurs training camp; and they decided that keeping Jimmer might be redundant if they had McCallum, and they needed a wing with length in Butler (With KA and Simmons sucking). That's just how the business goes sometimes. I know you want to overstate things; but what happened was not an indictment against Jimmer.
    Of course it's an indictment against Jimmer.

    He played the worst out of all the players mentioned and was rightly waived.

    That's jut how it goes sometimes.
    ChumpDumper is online now

  7. #3157
    Believe.
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Post Count
    19,014
    Btw, Thomas has scored 30+ eleven times and has scored at least 20 on 117 occasions.

    Who is "Thomas?"
    tholdren is offline

  8. #3158
    Veteran Mel_13's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Post Count
    14,367
    The guy who was drafted #60 by the Kings in the same draft they picked Jimmer with #10.
    Mel_13 is offline

  9. #3159
    Believe.
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Post Count
    19,014
    The guy who was drafted #60 by the Kings in the same draft they picked Jimmer with #10.
    I don't know who is better imo. JF shoots better from 3 and IT has shot 3x as many 3's as Jimmer. IT is a better slasher, and crushes JF in the Assist and Rebound columns.

    - I would be hesitant to say who is better. Sacramento just tries to run a playground show to sell tickets. They suck as a legit basketball team. JF has been unconfident since he has come to the NBA. Is that a product of his teams, or just trying to do too much to live up to expectation? I do not know, nor do I really care. But, I would say that comparing someone who gets on average 28 MPG and is a starter, to someone getting 13mpg and knows he has to prove something, is not a valid comparison.

    Basketball, like any other sport, or career, has a lot of variables which include the systems, players, and coaches around you. Think of it this way: If IT was coming off the bench at BYU trying to get a spot over JF, I'm sure he would have not won the spot from JF.

    IT seems like he's in the right spot. JF seems lost. He didn't forget how to shoot, or play basketball. He's just got zero confidence. Who would I take now - IT. Who is better - unknown.
    tholdren is offline

  10. #3160
    Veteran Mel_13's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Post Count
    14,367
    I don't know who is better imo. JF shoots better from 3 and IT has shot 3x as many 3's as Jimmer. IT is a better slasher, and crushes JF in the Assist and Rebound columns.

    - I would be hesitant to say who is better. Sacramento just tries to run a playground show to sell tickets. They suck as a legit basketball team. JF has been unconfident since he has come to the NBA. Is that a product of his teams, or just trying to do too much to live up to expectation? I do not know, nor do I really care. But, I would say that comparing someone who gets on average 28 MPG and is a starter, to someone getting 13mpg and knows he has to prove something, is not a valid comparison.

    Basketball, like any other sport, or career, has a lot of variables which include the systems, players, and coaches around you. Think of it this way: If IT was coming off the bench at BYU trying to get a spot over JF, I'm sure he would have not won the spot from JF.

    IT seems like he's in the right spot. JF seems lost. He didn't forget how to shoot, or play basketball. He's just got zero confidence. Who would I take now - IT. Who is better - unknown.
    Consider how much higher Jimmer was in the pecking order on day 1 of training camp in 2011. Now look at where they are five years into their pro careers. At a certain point, the excuses for Jimmer just strain credulity.
    Mel_13 is offline

  11. #3161
    Alleged Michigander ChumpDumper's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Post Count
    154,417
    I would be hesitant to say who is better.
    I wouldn't.

    Thomas is clearly a better NBA player.

    Pretty simple.
    ChumpDumper is online now

  12. #3162
    Believe.
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Post Count
    19,014
    Consider how much higher Jimmer was in the pecking order on day 1 of training camp in 2011. Now look at where they are five years into their pro careers. At a certain point, the excuses for Jimmer just strain credulity.
    And he should have been. He had a much better college career than IT. It's all about reps and confidence. You don't just fall off, after being an established college player. You come in, you force the issue, trying to make all of the plays, and when you don't, your confidence gets shaken.

    From IT's perspective he came in and gained confidence right out of the gate. He outperformed and bumped JT. He keeps growing and plays with confidence in a run and gun style where he controls the ball a lot, gets a lot of easy assists, and attacks the basket.

    Their level of confidence is on two different trajectories, and is the main reason why they are where they are. This one had more to do with all the extras than the skills. The mind is more powerful than the skills. See KL and his jumper.

    Again, who would I rather have now - IT. Who is more skilled - ??
    tholdren is offline

  13. #3163
    Veteran Mel_13's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Post Count
    14,367
    And he should have been. He had a much better college career than IT. It's all about reps and confidence. You don't just fall off, after being an established college player. You come in, you force the issue, trying to make all of the plays, and when you don't, your confidence gets shaken.

    From IT's perspective he came in and gained confidence right out of the gate. He outperformed and bumped JT. He keeps growing and plays with confidence in a run and gun style where he controls the ball a lot, gets a lot of easy assists, and attacks the basket.

    Their level of confidence is on two different trajectories, and is the main reason why they are where they are. This one had more to do with all the extras than the skills. The mind is more powerful than the skills. See KL and his jumper.

    Again, who would I rather have now - IT. Who is more skilled - ??
    IT is an established NBA player. Jimmer is not. Even if Jimmer is more skilled, which is doubtful, it hasn't been enough for him to reach his goals. If he has sufficient skills, then he clearly is lacking in other attributes that define an NBA player. And that's on Jimmer, not on the Kings, Bulls, Pelicans, or Spurs.
    Mel_13 is offline

  14. #3164
    Believe.
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Post Count
    19,014
    IT is an established NBA player. Jimmer is not. Even if Jimmer is more skilled, which is doubtful, it hasn't been enough for him to reach his goals. If he has sufficient skills, then he clearly is lacking in other attributes that define an NBA player. And that's on Jimmer, not on the Kings, Bulls, Pelicans, or Spurs.
    True - an established player on a crappy team with crappy playoff performances, but better than JF.

    Who was more skilled in college?
    tholdren is offline

  15. #3165
    Veteran Mel_13's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Post Count
    14,367
    True - an established player on a crappy team with crappy playoff performances, but better than JF.

    Who was more skilled in college?
    Mel_13 is offline

  16. #3166
    Alleged Michigander ChumpDumper's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Post Count
    154,417
    Who is a better NBA player now?
    ChumpDumper is online now

  17. #3167
    Believe.
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Post Count
    19,014
    Really, who do you think was "more skilled" in college?
    tholdren is offline

  18. #3168
    Believe.
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Post Count
    19,014
    Who is a better NBA player now?
    I've already answered that question in each post. You must have reading comprehension issues, or you are looking to take things out of context.
    tholdren is offline

  19. #3169
    Alleged Michigander ChumpDumper's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Post Count
    154,417
    I've already answered that question in each post. You must have reading comprehension issues, or you are looking to take things out of context.
    The context here is the NBA.

    College was a long time ago. What is the relevance of that now?

    I see none whatsoever.
    ChumpDumper is online now

  20. #3170
    Believe.
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Post Count
    19,014
    The context here is the NBA.

    College was a long time ago. What is the relevance of that now?

    I see none whatsoever.
    Good, the question was posed to Mel
    tholdren is offline

  21. #3171
    Alleged Michigander ChumpDumper's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Post Count
    154,417
    Good, the question was posed to Mel
    What is the relevance to Mel?
    ChumpDumper is online now

  22. #3172
    Believe.
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Post Count
    19,014
    What is the relevance to Mel?
    ALT
    tholdren is offline

  23. #3173
    Alleged Michigander ChumpDumper's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Post Count
    154,417
    Are you having a stroke?
    ChumpDumper is online now

  24. #3174
    Believe.
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Post Count
    19,014
    Are you having a stroke?
    Speaking of strokes, why are you so concerned with Mel?
    tholdren is offline

  25. #3175
    Alleged Michigander ChumpDumper's Avatar
    My Team
    San Antonio Spurs
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Post Count
    154,417
    Speaking of strokes, why are you so concerned with Mel?
    Nice deflection attempt.

    Why should anyone follow you down this particular rabbit hole? It makes zero difference about their respective values as NBA players right now.
    ChumpDumper is online now

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •