I wonder if he's smarter than a 5th grader at times.
(shrugs)
Again, more fail. I wasn't really arguing a point with that observation, merely commenting on how butthurt you act when someone has the nuts to challenge you on something, which you continue to do.
It is almost as if you have some sense of en lement to not having your views challenged or something. Welcome to the real world, kid.
Republicans imply all the time that welfare is a fraud to the majority of people who are drawing it.
Don't take my word for it, read the party platform.
https://cdn.gop.com/docs/2012GOPPlatform.pdf
They regard most "en lements" as "temporary". This is merely the official platform. Read what conservatives generally say about welfare.
http://insider.foxnews.com/tag/welfare
Run through the news feed. If you were to ask no few number of Republicans about it, they would almost universally say to scrap the system entirely. The guys I have beer with every week say as much.
Not a universal view to be sure, but certainly not an uncommon view, if you take the time to listen to what is said.
It is all negative, all the time. Run through that Fox News link and find ONE article about someone on welfare that is even mildly empathetic.
As for Democrats not addressing welfare fraud enough, define "enough".
I am all for addressing and minimizing fraud to the extent possible. There is fraud, and it happens all the time, as the Fox News feed so aptly points out, at every chance they get.
Once one does enough reading it begins to look like a very effective propaganda campaign that plays up the amount of fraud, while minimizing the benefits and demonizing recipients.
Ask yourself why you didn't state the opposite "Republicans don't often address the good that comes from welfare programs".
Look for any evidence of that here. As a Democrat, I am happy to try to fix and prevent abuse. Try finding a Republican, ANY Republican that says that there is some value in welfare programs.
I'll wait.
Repug campaign issues (and Repug state govt policies) about voter fraud, welfare fraud, both dog-whistling lies and slander against black people.
Don't let poor people breed.
I don't think you get it. Republicans see the benefit of welfare. They just argue that it needs to be reformed. Why would you go around espousing the benefits of welfare when your primary mission is to reform it?
And for the record I'm not a republican. But I'm not a democrat either.
The only welfare the Repugs support is corporate welfare for their big donors.
Since pretty much everything I've read from you has an overwhelmingly partisan slant, and is therefore complete bull , I'll read your posts, if I get to them, while I'm on the toilet, where maybe or maybe not I'll consider it over whatever other I've got to stacked behind it.
Your problem is that you assume that if there are two viewpoints, they must be equally valid.
"evolution is the best explanation for the diversity of life on the planet" and "evolution is not the best explanation for the diversity of life on the planet" are not equal arguments when it comes to reality.
"the earth orbits the sun" and "the sun orbits the earth" are not equal arguments when it comes to reality.
Both sides in those debates will make arguments, but the overwhelming amount of evidence available points to one side.
Neither is truth somewhere in the middle.
You paint both sides with the same brush as if both sides have equally valid viewpoints or base their policies on evidence.
The reality is that Democrats ignore evidence at times, and GOP ignores evidence at times. Some times the GOP is right. Sometimes the Dems are right.
I am more than willing to admit when Dems mess up or have something wrong. That kind of admission is much more less common in the GOP and conservative political viewpoints. The tea party and the primaries where candidates fall all over themselves to be the very most conservative they possibly can don't really have equivalent factions in the Democratic party. There are certain populist streaks, but there is no rabid group of zealots wanting to burn down the barn to kill the mice with anywhere near the power/influence the extremists on the right have.
If you are not willing to acknowledge that much of a difference, then again, that is on you. Just don't pretend you know what the is going on.
Do they really?
Democrats (Clinton and Dem minority in Congress) reformed "welfare" in the 1990's, adding all sorts of work requirements, and income verification to it.
The GOP at this point is more or less in favor of scrapping en lements altogether, and work in baby steps to do just that at every opportunity, just like they work to ban abortion.
Again, don't take my word for it. Better yet, prove your own statement.
Show me two or three specific GOP "reform" proposals.
I am more than willing to support reform based on good data, and will happily pick up the cause.
I still haven't read your posts, and I won't unless I've literally got nothing better to do, but I'm assuming this response is some kind of attack on me for "being a jackass" or "dumb" or "running away" or some other bull that you can't back up with good reason. It's all I can expect out of you at this point. Truth is it's because I have neither the stomach nor patience for it. Feel I have to set the record straight there.
The sad part is you actually seem like a pretty smart dude. But I just don't spend much time having these types of discussions with intellectually dishonest, self-stroking, partisan people (and, I don't spend ANY time with people who can get their in their mouth).
Last edited by mingus; 12-18-2015 at 02:41 PM.
Dude, why bother arguing w/ him?
He's smarter than you. Just surrender and kiss his feet.
(shrugs)
Meh. Another lazy e. The internet is full of people who can't back their up. At least you seem to know you can't, so you pretend to sulk. Good for you.
WC's take, essentially. Let the government decide who's qualified to have a kid.
still no quantification on how much welfare fraud there actually is. it's much easier march in cadence with (face it, largely anecdotal) narratives pushed by our media masters and chant them verbatim than to actually examine the claims made.
Last edited by Winehole23; 12-21-2015 at 12:51 PM.
They just want to pretend that all opinions and ideas are equally valid. It's the GOP schtick. And when you point out the something is illogical or without basis then you are painted as an elitist when you make a point that isn't one of those things. Nevermind that they are the ones whose party is structured with far more appointments as opposed to elected officials in the leadership.
It's as old as the church and the library at Alexandria. Thing is if they get their way it will be book burnings, heresy laws, and the thought police again.
It's looking more and more like both parties might split. Things are looking up.
Trump is the frontrunner. You really have no idea what's going on do you?
Go eat a whataburger, fatty.
Gingrich's Contract With America is empirical proof that their ideology was wrong. They have nothing. Debate over.
@ the forum pussy calling me fatty. He's such a big bad internet bully.
your posturing is amusing I guess.
I just pointed out how you don't understand election dynamics. You do understand that by ignoring my point you are in essence admitting you haven't a clue don't you?
Keep on talking my work here is done.
I totally understand election dynamics and recognize partisan moderators when I see them.
I just pointed out how you don't understand election dynamics. You do understand that by ignoring my point you are in essence admitting you haven't a clue don't you?
Keep on talking my work here is done.
And all you have done here is prove what a pompous ignorant asshole you are.
So you double down without basis. How droll.
Trump is the frontrunner and it makes sense to make that comparison first. It's called reality bias. It's terrible I know.
yep. pompous ignorant ass.
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